Rare Blood Disorder Could Be Linked To Covid Vaccine

Rare Blood Disorder Could Be Linked To Covid Vaccine

I am still deciding if I will get the vaccine. I know this is a small number compared to how many vaccinations have been administered but it still gives me pause.

What do you think about the vaccine injuries that are being reported?

 

This complication is scary, but know that almost every vaccine, medication and drug that is given on a mass scale is going to have some complications. The benefits have to be significantly greater than the complications. I really doubt that there will be 500,000 deaths from the vaccines. I plan to get my vaccine in early April.

 

Gee, there are 200,000 cases per year of this not-so-comnon blood problem.

Frankly, having 3 dozen cases and one death would seem to be a routine incidence of the 10s of millions of injections.

But why take chances? People better stick to getting COVID instead, that only has 550,000 deaths per year rather than risking a few dozen platelet injections!

 

Thrombocytopenia is what killed the doctor in Miami Beach. A related embolism killed a friend of a friend.

Most people suffer no harmful consequences.

I have nothing at all to gain by taking an experimental gene-editing cocktail.

I've been walking through clouds of the virus, according to one poster here this morning, unprotected except by my immune system.

I don't need their stinking experiment, I'm doing fine on my own.

 

Considering I have already been a case study because I was a 'rare and usual situation', I've been advised to pass on it.

Chances are I would have regardless. The statistics play out that the percentage of fatalities make the vaccination unnecessary, IMO. If you are more comfortable with having, then go for it.

 

I'm still undecided. I still have way too many questions about it.

 

Just who are you denying dogs to doubt the word of the greatest scientist to grace mankind in recorded history, the infallible arbiter of all things viral, the magnificent Dr Strangelove, er, Fauci! So take your shots like good little unpaid lab-rats! Oh, and keep wearing your hazmat suits and avoiding all human contact, seems it doesn't work for the new strains. But not to worry, I hear they're working on a revolutionary new weekly regimen of inoculations!

 

No one can decide for you. Severe cases of Covid are rare. Severe cases of vaccine reactions are also rare. In the meantime, mild symptoms from either Covid infection or the Covid vaccine seem quite similar.

Personally, I stay away from all pharmaceuticals as much as possible. I don't get the flu shot and I don't plan to get the Covid vaccine. I am in a "relatively" low-risk category for getting a severe case of Covid or of having a severe risk of reaction to the vaccine.

Covid symptoms:




Covid Vaccine Side Effects:

 

....and butt swabs....

LOL

 

QUOTE="MJ Davies, post: 1072494217, member: 87050"]Rare Blood Disorder Could Be Linked To Covid Vaccine


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I am still deciding if I will get the vaccine. I know this is a small number compared to how many vaccinations have been administered but it still gives me pause.

What do you think about the vaccine injuries that are being reported?[/QUOTE]

I actually asked Centerfield about this, back in January, because my niece, as just a child, developed thrombocytopenia after her MMR vaccination. This is a known causal relationship, such that the government has set up.a program for any young person who develops the condition shortly after receiving that vaccination, to pay them an automatic settlement. For my niece, who was too young to understand what was happening when she, multiple times needed to be rushed to the hospital & stuck with IVs, this was very upsetting. It turned out all right, though, as she grew out of the condition, as children often do.

Anyway, this was around 20 yrs ago, but it is why she was apprehensive about these new vaccines causing that condition to recur. Personally, my initial impression was that I didn't think it was likely BUT I understood that there was probably insufficient data, at that point, for anyone to know if it was a reasonable concern. I think that understanding what one does & doesn't know, what opinions are based on hard evidence, and at what points guesswork, as well as assumptions, begin, is important for anyone to keep clear in one's mind, including doctors, who (like most people) do not always succeed at doing this.

Understanding my niece's anxiety over this, I figured it couldn't hurt to ask Centerfield, as we had an ongoing private conversation going at the time, & he seemed to enjoy being able to supply helpful medical information. So, though I didn't expect there would be any data, or that he would be able to locate it, I asked. I have to say that his answer was rather patronizing & not particularly helpful, despite being very long. There was one whole paragraph in which he explained that all new things are not to be feared, giving his brilliant analogy of how there are fewer house fires, with central heating, than there were back when people used fireplaces. Real relevant stuff. Here is the one paragraph when he actually mentions a known case:
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OK so what does make sense is to verify if the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines have ever caused thrombocytopenia. Well, there was 1 described case, still unproven. A 56-year-old male in Florida (a doctor, by the way) died of hemorrhagic stroke caused by thrombocytopenia, several weeks after he received the Pfizer vaccine. OK, was it caused by the vaccine? We don't know yet. It's being investigated. Up to this case, no other case of thrombocytopenia had ever been described either with the Pfizer or the Moderna vaccines.
<END SNIP>

I noted that he left out the info that would have been most pertinent to my niece's situation, namely, had he lived his whole, adult life with this condition, or had he not been known to have it, which would have strongly suggested (because of the signs of the illness) that it had just developed. But I appreciated his making an effort. He turned out, however, to have brushed off this idea a bit prematurely, because about two & a half weeks later, I got word from Center, through a mutual friend (since the doctor was a very poor sport at taking his own medicine, so had since added me to his long list of those on, "ignore") sent word that actually there were more cases showing up now so that, while the official guidance was still for people who'd had this condition to get the vaccine, it had been added that they should first speak to a hematologist (blood specialist) about it.

Ironically, my claims about medicine sometimes, & some doctors, generally, being a bit overly-enamored of themselves, leading to just this sort of unwarranted assumption, was part of what had landed me in hot water with C.F. And his opinion of the matter was actually very similar to my own, other than that I recognized where he was speculating, without a net. This was the condition, btw-- thrombocytopenia-- I'd had in mind when I'd asked you to supply info about your own past medical conditions, especially those related to your previous, terrible experience from vaccines, in preparation for my offering my best advice or, interpretation of your risks/options, or perspective on your own Covid vaccine apprehensions (which you never supplied). So, IS this specific condition, something you've had in the past? If not, I wouldn't think the likelihood of you developing it from this vaccine would be significant enough to let it worry you, though I say that without knowing any of your current or former medical conditions, which means that I could not say for sure that, being provided that info might not change my speculated opinion.

Again, this was Center on Jan. 22:
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Now, regarding the fact that mRNA vaccines are new. OK, but see, this platform is theoretically SAFER than the previous ones. Think of introducing, say, an attenuated virus into someone's body. The little bug will trigger all sorts of antibodies, all sorts of reactions. That's how some people end up with auto-immune syndromes such as Guillain-Barré or transverse myelitis (or thrombocytopenia), when wild antibodies start attacking similar bodily structures.

Now, what do the mRNA vaccines do? They teach the body to mimic the production of a specific protein made by the virus, the spike protein. Just that. Nothing else. It's very targeted. So, the odds of causing Guillain-Barré are much smaller. Actually we are now at some 60 million doses given and we haven't seen a single case yet. We did see ONE case in Mexico of such a severe generalized allergic reaction, that the woman's spine and brain also got inflamed. That was the scariest case. She recovered. It's been postulated that the culprit for these allergic reactions are the inactive components of the vaccine such as PEG, not the mRNA.

OK, so, the mRNA platform is new. Does it mean it is more dangerous? No, in this case it probably means it's less dangerous; very clean, very precise...
<END CLIP>

I just wanted to interject here that I've taken out a lot, because Centerfield tends to repeat himself a good bit, as well as to include passages in which he walks you through things that there is no need to walk another rational, intelligent adult through-- like, that it would be silly, if one had one bad reaction from a medicine, to then decide never to take any medicine, ever again-- which, therefore, cannot help but sound condescending, & give the impression, to me, that he is more delivering the standard message, rather than taking seriously the individual's concerns. Note, above, that he almost, from the get-go, begins associating the autoimmune condition I asked about, with a different one, Giullian-Barre, which he'd written a paper on, as if the mere fact they were both autoimmune conditions, makes one interchangeably applicable to the other. When I first read his evaluation of that condition, I was a little confused because, you may have noticed, immediately after saying they had yet to see a single case, he says they did have one case. I guess his thinking must have been that, since it was, "postulated," that this was due to some additive in the vaccine, not the mRNA, itself, it doesn't count, though I can predict with near certainty that there has been no change to that formulation of additives.

But other than initially explaining why he would think the chances of adverse reactions would be less than with a standard vaccine, and this may well turn out to be the case, the rest is mere speculation on his part, with an insufficient amount of evidence on which to base it; that is to say, it is the opinion of an educated person, but that does not give him the ability to know what is not yet known. As I'd said, after his minimizing of the risks in late January, I was getting word, from him, of a much different picture on February 9th.

My niece, btw, decided not to get vaccinated and, in her case (being healthy & in her early 20s, with no medical factors that are associated with increased risk from the virus), I believe it is a wise choice. The chance that she will not only contract the virus, but die from it, have to be on that same, very remote level at which it seems Centerfield finds it fairly easy to dismiss concerns of possible side-effects.

A little bit more from the resident doctor:
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Getting vaccinated against Covid-19 doesn't vaccinate people against dying from all other diseases... it only protects someone against Covid-19. So, would this man have died of a hemorrhagic stroke regardless of the vaccine? Given that thrombocytopenia has a long list of other causes, and it hadn't been seen yet with these vaccines, chances are that it is coincidental.

There is, as you know, TOO MUCH media attention regarding Covid-19... journalists will be EAGER to jump into ANY news that someone ANYWHERE has died, if the person happens to die a few weeks after receiving a dose of the Covid-19 vaccine.

Is it possible that this Floridian man's thrombocytopenia was caused by the Covid-19 vaccine? Well, it's not impossible. I'd say it's probably unlikely.

Does the fact that your niece had thrombocytopenia in the past predispose her to having it again if she receives the Covid-19 vaccine? Again, I find it very unlikely, because these mRNA vaccines have strictly NOTHING to do with the MMR vaccine. The latter is a live attenuated virus vaccine. It's actually done by injecting into the body the three live viruses responsible for these infectious diseases, whole, but a bit slapped around (attenuated). The former, again, is a specific set of genetic instructions to make one specific protein. These platforms couldn't be any more different.

Can I guarantee that the Covid-19 vaccine doesn't cause thrombocytopenia? No. The case of the Floridian man makes it at least theoretically possible. Is it likely? I don't think so.

 

It is waaaaaaay too early to determine correlation. There have been more than 100 million people vaccinated so far and 36 cases of thrombocytopenia. Do the math

 

I've done the math.

 

So?? What answer did you get? (BTW I have had my first dose of AstraZeneca)

 

I discussed it in another thread. According to statistics, there is a higher risk to catching COVID than experiencing side effects from the vaccine.

 

Some articles you may wish to consider before making your choice, ordered in the order in which they were published (oldest to most recent). The focus is on the Moderna Vaccine, since you mentioned it:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...ikely-to-make-more-people-sick-than-covid-19/

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...-safety-concerns-over-modernas-covid-vaccine/

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/media-hypes-modernas-covid-vaccine-downplays-risks/

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fauci-fda-pfizer-moderna-covid-vaccines/

 

It is waaaaaaay too early to determine correlation. There have been more than

 

@MJ Davies

So, 17 days after all those theoretically safers, chances are... coincidental, & probably unlikelys, I got this:

<BEGIN SNIP>
While I had mentioned before that likely your niece wouldn't need to worry about thrombocytopenia from the new Covid-19 vaccines, this recommendation has changed. More cases of thrombocytopenia have been closely associated with the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, by now. While the advice is that even people who in the past had thrombocytopenia to the MMR vaccine, which seems to be the case of your niece, should still have the Covid-19 vaccine, the recommendation has changed to ONLY DOING THAT AFTER CONSULTING WITH A HEMATOLOGIST. So if your niece is interested in getting vaccinated, she should make an appointment with a hematologist as soon as possible...
<END SNIP>

This was another, specifically cited flaw, in my view, of some in the medical field, which Center had taken exception to, namely, that they parrot whatever the current thinking or guidance is, with the conviction of its 100% accuracy, until the thinking changes, & then the new thinking is adopted with the same aplomb, sans any doubts or reservations about stating this new, "fact," while seemingly having forgotten they had ever been advocating something different.

I don't want to give you the wrong idea: I am not trying to discourage you from getting vaccinated or sow your mind with misgivings. Nor am I condemning medicine, writ large. I am only stating a fact, that in any group of people as large as doctors, or the medical profession, it will necessarily encompass all kinds of people, & (in this case) all kinds of doctors-- the good, the bad, & the ugly. But people tend to think of doctors as beyond human, and many doctors come to think of themselves this way, as better, more capable, wiser, than the rest of us. This hubris is a risky ingredient, in the medical field. And the many in whom it manifests would make better physicians, if they exercised a bit more humility w/ regard to what they, as well as modern medicine, are able to do, and what their limitations are.

The preceding paragraph isn't directly applicable to your thread but, since it now looks like you may be over your initial nervousness, and I, after noticing your thread topic, reproduced correspondence that brought this argument back to my mind, I took a moment to step up on my soapbox. Thanks for your indulgence.

 

Let me start by thanking you for attempting to be helpful. The fact, however, that you would believe that I would have not understood the explanation I just posted from C.F., who went over the same material twice, so that I would need your explanation, leads me to believe that you must be in the medical field, yourself.

Please do not allow our relations to go the way of mine and Centerfield's. If you could not accept any criticism of your field with an open mind, without taking it personally, or being offended, then it is best we don't speak about the topic (which I recommended to C.F., but he persisted). There are plenty of other topics for discussion, here.