CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people don't carry COVID-19

CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people don't carry COVID-19

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1376950399232573442

This is interesting because it has been said that the vaccines will not prevent a person from catching the virus, but lessens its impact.

What do you think?

 

The usual lies. I think a good article from Civil Rights Attorney P. Jerome in Washington D.C. published yesterday on Off Guardian sets the record straight:
Covid Vaccine Nonsense - US-based human rights lawyer breaks down the contradictory claims of “effectiveness”, the incomplete studies and legal minefield of forced use of experimental vaccines

 

Sounds like the best news this year so far. It also sounds like left hand right hand dysfunctional government is showing its ugly head again.

 

I think it's very old news indeed that government bureaucrats lie as they please. I can find no good reason to place any faith at all in the claims of known liars.

Operation Covid is a Grand Illusion, and I'm not the only person to understand that.

 

Data from Israel show the same result.

 

I think eventually everyone is going to have to admit what I’ve been telling them since early February is true—that the vaccines in use in the US prevent infection—not just decrease severity of disease. The idea these vaccines wouldn’t induce sterilizing immunity was never based on evidence. In fact all the evidence showed they WOULD prevent infection (induce sterilizing immunity). Here are a few of my posts trying to convince others of the truth in February. As usual, the CDC is weeks to months behind my posting history.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1072436439/



And another:

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I don’t know who started the rumor vaccines wouldn’t prevent infection but media has been perpetrating the myth actively for months. It’s terrible they crapped on vaccines we knew were very efficacious. Just another politicalization of science I suppose. Hopefully the lies by media and their parroting by posters here on PF weren’t too damaging to public perception of these vaccines.

 

How can the efficacy of injections never before used on humans be determined?

How can being injected with an experimental drug, a dangerous drug under EUA, possibly help somebody when the virus being 'guarded against' has a 99% survival rate?

Answer: Mass hysteria and grand deception.

 

We've only been experiencing COVID for around a year. When it started we (the medical professionals) knew little to nothing about it. It's been an ongoing learning experience and the more experience gained equals the more knowledge gained. Knowledge and opinions today are not the same as they were a year ago.

 

It seems like America's Frontline Doctors had it figured out pretty darn quickly.

The trouble was they didn't parrot the official narrative, so they were quickly maligned and censored. True accounts by frontline doctors frighten the gatekeepers.

 

Now, they are walking back on this. It's no wonder that people are confused about COVID and the vaccine. It seems like a different "official" position comes out every other day.



Can Vaccinated People Spread the Virus? We Don’t Know, Scientists Say.

 

If I'm not mistaken, a vaccine can't keep a virus from entering the body. It can "teach" the immune system to deal with it and thereby help the immune system to kill it. I'm not a doctor and I don't know how long these things take but my guess is that both sides of the argument are probably correct. I would imagine that a vaccinated person could carry the virus for a while and then not be able to carry it. Just a matter of time is my guess.

 

In Post #10 I link to another article in which scientists have pushed back against the CDC's comments on this.

 

I quit paying attention to the CDC's pronouncements months ago. I'm not pushing back. I'm just ignoring what they say and opining from my common sense. Getting medical advice from doctors is absolutely the right thing to do. Getting it from government, on the other hand...........

 

I’m not a doctor either but I’m educated in biology and microbiology and deal with respiratory disease and vaccines on a daily basis. I’m happy to answer any specific questions the following may not address.

The short answer is there are two basic types of immunity—sterilizing immunity and functional immunity.

Sterilizing immunity is a function of the neutralizing antibodies we hear so much about. When a virus enters your body, say your nasal cavity, etc., neutralizing antibodies can “identify” the virus and either neutralize the virus directly or facilitate phagocytosis or destruction of the virus by other cells of the immune system. In this case the virus in your body is “neutralized” before it has a chance to infect any of your body’s cells. Because no viral replication occurs, the individual is not a contagion risk at all. This is what we refer to when we talk about vaccines preventing infection or asymptomatic disease. All three vaccines in use in the US induce sterilizing immunity in a very large percentage of recipients because they cause the body to produce very high titers of neutralizing antibodies. We have known this since the immunogenicity phases of their development and now real world data is confirming this.

The second type of immunity is functional immunity. This is when there are no/not enough neutralizing antibodies present to prevent viral entry into the cells of your body. Once cells are infected, memory B cells quickly (within hours) begin producing vast quantities of antibodies that go to work much as neutralizing antibodies would have. Also, memory T cells mediate killer T cell actions that target and destroy infected cells. This takes longer than B cell activation so sometimes it takes a few days for the infection to be completely eradicated. However, the quick production of antibodies means few cells ever get infected so viral shedding is usually minimal. Often such infections are not very contagious and if they are, only contagious for very short periods of time. This is what is referred to when we talk about possible asymptomatic transmission after vaccination.

Again, it looks like the vaccines in use in the US provide sterilizing immunity to the vast majority of vaccinees, with a small percentage of vaccinees only developing functional immunity that prevents severe disease and limits viral shedding.

 

Thanks for the post. Very interesting. I had a course in parasitology in college but viruses aren't parasites and don't behave like parasites so this is new to me.

 

Kind of the opposite for me. Very little formal education on parasites specifically. Have had to learn a lot trial and error on parasites. I envy you.

 

Regarding parasites, and in particular the anti-parasitic drug Ivermectin, it turns out that drug has fabulous success against SARS Cov 2, both as a treatment of the disease AND as prophylaxis. In one hospital test, 100% efficacy as prophylaxis.

 

Don't tell anybody. The Biden administration will ban it.

 

I guess I should have taken a course in virology.

 

Do you like podcasts? There are some pretty good ones on virology, especially since the start of Covid. Just search in Apple podcasts or some other podcast app. If you don’t like the presenter after 5 minutes search for another. You aren’t out a semester’s tuition and textbook fees!

 

I have to be careful about internet use since I have metered service. I don't watch internet videos or listen to internet audio. Thanks, though.

 

Nuts.

Go to a fast food joint with free Wi-fi and download podcasts to listen to later.

 

Observe UK. Even if with only a dose of vaccines the pandemic is slowing down in that country.
France is starting the first EU production of vaccines. This will help up.

I find it annoying that the WHO [the most useless UN organization ever] says that in EU we are on late with the vaccination campaign: force the producers to send us vaccines! Instead of issuing nonsensical declarations.

 

You really want me to work for it huh?

 

LOL. I used to go sit in my pickup outside a small town library with an IPod and download ITunes U content. The library was only open a few hours once a week but you could access their Wi-fi from outside anytime.