Body camera videos show 13-year-old Adam Toledo put hands up before fatal police shooting in Chicago

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  1. Par10

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    It looked to me like he stopped, tossed the gun behind the fence, then quickly turned around to raise his hands.
    The cop most likely had seen the gun in his hand and the way he was turning made it look like he was going to be shot.
    He wasn't an innocent little child playing in the sandbox.
    It sucks but "that's what they say when you play the game"
     
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    Remember Tamir Rice, he was a 12 year old Black kid that the officer thought was 20 years old that was waving around and pointing a Black toy gun at people. This is the World Liberal America has created where sometimes live saved and lives lost happen within a split second, because some communities think it's OK for their Youths to have Guns whether Toy or Real to show off to people.

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    Looks like an Adult with a REAL! gun to me.
     
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    No he just shot someone who had their hands up.
     
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    So next time keep the gun and shoot the cop. Thafs the message you’re sending.
     
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    The message that should be sent is law enforcement should do their job. It was famously said before the first shot of the revolutionary war "do not fire unless fired upon."(Famously, no one knows who shot the first shot.). But if one doesn't see a pistol, one shouldn't be pulling the trigger.
     
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    You'll say anything untrue if it gets you what you want, anarchy. No, there are even new videos on line now showing he still had the gun when shot. 2:00 pm in the morning after shooting at cars driving by. Completely sick young man with no regard to human life. Good job officer protecting your own life and your fellow officers. Tired of seeing police officers shot all the time.
     
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    If he had followed the orders of the police there would never have been a chase while he had the gun in his hand. He was a gang member engaged in a drive by shooting he suffered the consequences of his own actions. The police do not have to wait until the fleeing criminal fires first the officer had every reason to believe the gun was still in his hand and was being raise against him and the other officers and was justifies to stop that from happening.

    The kid screwed up, blame his parents, blame the gang of which he was a member, blame the 21 year old he was with committing their crimes. But if you are going to join such a gang, wear their tattoo, engage in felony crimes for the purpose of harming or killing someone else you will face the consequences of YOUR actions and YOUR decisions no matter your age which of course the officers had not determined in the heat of the moment.
     
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    Where is the protest against the parents here and the gang who recruited him?
     
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    Someone with a gun in hand who had just been firing at passing cars is a THREAT to society and other law abiding citizens and it is the duty of the police to end that threat IMMEDIATELY by all necessary means.
     
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    Not at all. He could have stopped facing away from them, dropped the gun and raised his hands then slowly turned around. The fact that he was the bad guy means that the onus is on him to not do something stupid that gets him shot. The police's job is to make sure that they didn't get shot.
     
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    only law abiding citizens can exercise their second amendment.

    he waived his rights when he became armed.
     
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    Americans are law abiding gun owners.

    the teen was a second class citizen
     
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    "Toledo was armed. It’s clear in the footage, but if you were to watch CBS News’ clip—that frame is omitted. It would seem the hatchet crew at the network went to work to construct yet another false narrative. They went after Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis over a non-existent pay-to-play scheme involving Publix, the state’s largest grocery chain who contributed to his campaign, and a vaccine distribution deal. We’ve seen the full exchange between DeSantis and the reporter who tried to lob this grenade. It blew up in CBS’ face, but they’ve doubled down because they’re all terrible people."

    Really terrible horrible people at CBC peddling lies that could easily cause people to die.
    A whole city is set ablaze over a lie.
     
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    CBS posted the whole video. Just because the Federalist makes things up does not mean that it is true.
     
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    This isn't new information, we have video footage from the officer's body camera, as well as a surveillance camera of what happened. The kid was being chased by the officer, the kid threw the gun away through a gap in the fence, and then stopped and put his hands up.

    Not only was the kid unarmed at this point, but the weapon was completely out of his reach. This is the moment in which the kid was shot, and this is the moment that has been circulating around the news and the internet. It's perfectly clear what was going on in that moment, the kid was surrendering to the officer, he had ditched his weapon and put his hands up. No one is hiding the fact that the kid was previously armed, the only lie being told is the one suggesting this was a decision of life or death for the officer himself. The officer was not saving his own life by firing his weapon, nor was he saving anyone else's life for that matter. He made a decision in firing his weapon, and it was clearly a mistake which cannot be corrected. There's no question that the kid himself made several mistakes, however the mistake that the officer made carries with it the impact of having no possible opportunity for correction.
     
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    While all that is true (save, possibly, the parental blame part), it is also, "wrong," to list all the criticisms, as if equal. A 13 yr. old, getting involved in ditching a gun, while clearly a bad decision, a dumb thing to do, and a crime, is far less damning than an adult, holding the position of public responsibility of being a police officer, shooting & killing a kid who was clearly NOT threatening his life. Those who, to any degree, excuse something like this because, if the kid wasn't breaking the law, he would not have been killed, are also wrong, & evidence a problem within our society.

    While, of course, I make no excuses for the boy (other than to note that kids are more prone to making stupid choices than adults, and have more potential for rectifying their behavior), that one commits a crime & does not immediately fall to the ground, with his hands on his head, the moment a policeman arrives on the scene, is in NO WAY justification for that person's murder. And that's what this is. To call it anything else, is to condone it, which is as odious, at least, as this kid's getting tangled up in breaking the law, in the first place.
     
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    Cops do not have to wait to be fired upon. The gun was hot from firing several shots from this kids hand. The gun was tossed in .8 seconds before fire was returned, Why was this kid not home in bed instead of running down alleys shooting at cars in the wee hours of the morning? With a 20 year old felon? Didn't his parents want him ready for school in the morning? Do these questions lead to some mitigating factors as to how sick our culture has become? Because our culture tells us "we have no sense of right or wrong" an elite will decide for us. What's up is down and down is up......that's the new woke way of thinking! Tell us the cop was wrong, sheeesh!
     
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    For any news outlet to claim he was unarmed is misleading and unconscionable Just total irresponsibility that will lead to violence and possibly more loss of life. Being “unarmed” for less than a second is NOT accurate at all. It’s a false narrative that continues to damage and break down our society. Hate to quote Trump but these people are truly the enemy.
     
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    so being 'armed' negates your rights?
     
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    All three could be true before he dropped the gun, that is why an essay explaining what happened would be superior to a checkbox. When the officers where chasing, did the CRIMINAL follow verbal direction? NO. When he was holding the gun, was the punk gangbanger an imminent threat of battery with a weapon? Yes. Did the gangbanger discharge his weapon prior to being chased by the police? If a check box I must answer yes, because there were shots fired prior to the police shooting the CRIMINAL.
     
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    I did drop my manchette when I realized it was a cop, I wasn't committing a crime, had every right to carry it, but I was just checking out what the noise was in my backyard, dropped the weapon real fast, didn't run around with it either begging for the cop to mistake I might use it.
     
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    No Nukes, No Nukes, No nukes!

    Dang it, you got to stop using "liberal" words and phrases, like by any means necessary and ****, they only apply to "liberals" when they want to commit terrorism in the hood and get a day in jail for attempted murder...and if the cop stopped the TERRORIST, a split second after he put his hands up, their party of treason will get upset and spend resources to terrorize the rest of the hood until they can lynch with impunity.
     
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    Other than editing the gun out of the film clip?
    Not if he didn't see him toss the gun or if he reasonably assumed that if he had one deadly weapon that he may have more deadly weapons. Under your theory, had he taken him into custody there would have been no need to frisk him for additional weapons.

    It appears that you consistently harbor a bias against police officers.
    CBS news didn't "make a mistake" they deliberately inflamed the issue by editing out the gun the suspect was carrying shortly before he was shot by the police.

    CBS News is deeply dishonest and irresponsible.
     
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    Everybody's panties are in a wad because this perp was thirteen years old.... Why is it of such overriding importance what the age of someone is if they're out roaming around in the middle of the night at 2:30 AM with some other clown shooting at a car with a GUN? Like a lot of perps, the kid threw the gun several feet away, and then -- in the near-dark of night -- lifts arms in a way that would make any cop that the perp might be leveling a weapon at HIM! Presto! One less 'up and coming' gang-banger in Chicago....

    Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Adam_Toledo

    But, this police officer, like SO MANY OTHERS, will have his career and life destroyed, and will probably end up in PRISON.

    [​IMG]. Can "children" be killers? Uh... YEAH.... :roll:
     

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