Should the media be sanctioned and held accountable

The difference is I can admit when I was wrong. You have as yet to do that.

Why did SK stop using it in June if it is so ****ing amazing? Why did their health organization say it was not effective? Are they part of the leftist media? Did they do it to make Trump look bad also?

Plus you are still ignoring that their fatality rate is not much better than ours, the key to their success was stopping people from getting the virus in the first place. They did that by reacting within a week of their first case. They did not wait three months to start to prepare.

Yes, the whole ****ing world stopped using it because they are anti-Trump. this whole thing was just a ploy to get rid of Trump. You people make the flat earthers look down right sane and normal.

Of course the virus was not his fault, but his slow reaction to it was. You like to talk about SK a lot, had Trump just done what they had done, we could have had results like theirs as well. Instead we have what we have now.

SK says it does not work, I gave you two articles with them saying it does not work. They said it held some promise but further testing showed it made no difference. Why would they lie?

This is the problem with your giant ass conspiracy theory. Most countries in the world had no reason to go along with it, so why would they? Did they let their own citizens die just to make Trump look bad? Let me tell, Trump is not that important. Health organizations from all around the world are not going to lie just to make Trump look bad.

 

Darth

You don't admit that you're wrong. That is frequently well demonstrated when you keep pushing and defending the Covid Official Narrative despite its many failures.

 

A law must apply and be enforced , news media companies must report objectively , factual and without bias inciting .

Example : Man accidentally shot by police officer

Comparison : Black Man killed by police officer

We can observe that the comparison is biased incite and we can also observe stereotyping in the visual description that some people may deem racist .


News media should not make inciting comments and comments as such could be classed has domestic terrorism , inciting people to riot , causing civil unrest .

 

I did so in this very thread, it would be best if you did not openly lie about me.

And the fact that I have not chosen to join you on your trip down conspiracy theory lane merely means I know how to use all of my brain.

As for pushing narratives, do not forget you are the one that happily admitted you do not confirm what you are being told, that if Dr __________ (fill in the blank) tells you something, that is good enough for you and there is no reason to confirm the validity.

 

Because they NEVER said that. You provided a couple of news articles that tried to discredit Hydroxy by KNOWINGLY excluding the addition of Zinc.
I asked you to provide a single source claiming Hydroxy combined with Zinc doesn't work.
You couldn't because that claim doesn't exist

I provided several claims being made by the medical teams in SK. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM MAKE THE SAME CLAIM.

Used in conjunction with the azithromycin Z-Pak, most patients cleared the virus in three to six days rather than the 20 days observed in China, drastically narrowing the period during which a patient can spread the virus to others.

According to the study, which was published in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents, South Korean researchers conducted PEP using HCQ on people who were at risk of contracting COVID-19, although their baseline polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests for the novel coronavirus were negative

Researchers gave a dose of 400 milligrams of HCQ daily to them until the completion of a 14-day quarantine period. During the course of PEP, 32 people reported one or more symptoms, including diarrhea, skin rash and gastrointestinal problems, the study showed.

At the end of 14 days of quarantine, follow-up PCR tests on the study participants were all negative, indicating that those who received PEP did not develop COVID-19.

Then I provided you with the resources.

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/hydroxychloroquine-used-by-kor
ea-for-covid-19-while-us-is-divided/
https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200422003500320
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-...nti-malaria-drugs-for-COVID-19/6961584012321/
https://www.equities.com/news/coron...om-south-korea-can-zinc-help-prevent-covid-19
https://www.ccn.com/is-chloroquine-behind-south-koreas-super-low-coronavirus-fatality-rate/

You have yet to provide any article. claim, or medical evaluation that claims Hydroxy and Zinc don't work. All you have done is find biased reporting trying to claim Hydroxy doesn't work. If you don't know the difference then you are one of the ones they were able to fool.

You can't have results claimed by SK (At the end of 14 days of quarantine, follow-up PCR tests on the study participants were all negative) and (Used in conjunction with the azithromycin Z-Pak, most patients cleared the virus in three to six days rather than the 20 days)

Then turn around and say they found it never worked.

If you could find any study that says Hydroxy and Zinc doesn't work, you would have provided it. All you have provided is claims against Hydroxy being used by itself.
This is nothing but regurgitations of bias news media.
And if you can't figure out the difference between those two claims, I fail to see why you are here responding in the first place.

 

All of your links are from March or April of last year, when early testing was positive. Then as they did more testing they found the truth, that it really just did not work that well....that is why they quit using it by June, which is why you cannot find an article newer than April.
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Thats what you call evidence? What flat earthers claim? No wonder you're having such a problem.

So it only worked in the beginning when they claimed most patients cleared the virus in 3 days, but now it magically doesn't work anymore?
Then you should have no problem finding medical articles and Doctors claiming Hydroxy and Zinc worked before, but they don't work now.
I'll wait right here while you come up with another self proscribed fact instead of providing the actual information asked of you for 3 days now.

 

LOL! It was Fake Science.
The Lancet and the NEJM were caught red handed publishing a paper based on fudged data and forced to retract.

"The journal’s editor, Richard Horton, said he was appalled by developments. “This is a shocking example of research misconduct in the middle of a global health emergency,” he told the Guardian."
THE GUARDIAN, Covid-19: Lancet retracts paper that halted hydroxychloroquine trials, By Sarah Boseley Health editor, June 5, 2020.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-paper-that-halted-hydroxychloroquine-trials

Why would anyone still trust such corrupt sources of information?
Because they said they are sorry?

 

Why resort to an ad hominem personal attack when you admit that you have been shown "actual evidence"?

 

It is better than what you have.

It worked anecdotally, which gave people hope it would work widespread. But once it was actually researched and tested it was found to work on some and not other others.

I do not need to find medical articles and Doctors claiming Hydroxy and Zinc worked before, but they don't work now. That is not how this works. We have articles from March and April that show hope for it, and by June it was found to be not as effective as first thought...or as the South Koreans put it...it made no difference at all.

But since you did bring it up, the article I linked to from SK stated that there was some early evidence it worked but their deeper study did not bear that out. You even quoted part of it.

There is a reason you cannot find an article newer than April 2000 talking about how well it worked, and that reason is not that the entire world was part of some CT to make Trump look bad

 

There was no ad hominem personal attack. The "actual evidence" is that there was some hope at the beginning it would be a useful treatment but as more testing and studying was done, it was found not to be.

And not just by America, but by SK, by many countries in Europe and others. Why would they all lie?

 

You dismissed a member of the forum as a "flat earther".
That is an ad hominem personal attack. The kind of thing usually used to chill debate.
I would like to assume that it was an inadvertent slip.

 

HCQ vs. $Billions of new revenue for Big Pharma. And the winner is ....

“A total of 539 COVID-19 hospitalised patients were included in our cohort in Milan, from February 24 to May 17,2020 of whom 174 died in hospital (day 14 probability of death: 29.5%–95%CI: 25.5–34.0). We divided a subset of our cohort in three groups who started treatment a median of 1 day after admission: those receiving hydroxycholoroquine alone (N = 197), those receiving hydroxycholoroquine + azithromycin (N = 94), and those receiving neither (controls) (N = 92). Of the latter group, 10 started HIV antivirals (boosted-lopinavir or –darunavir), 1 teicoplanin, 12 immunomodulatory drugs or corticosteroids, 23 heparin and 46 remained untreated. The percent of death in the 3 groups was 27%, 23% and 51%. Mechanical ventilation was used in 4.3% of hydoxychloroquine, 14.2% of hydroxycholoroquine + azithromycin and 26.1% of controls. Unweighted and weighted relative hazards of mortality are shown in Table 1. After adjusting for a number of key confounders (see table), the use of hydroxycholoroquine + azithromycin was associated with a 66% reduction in risk of death as compared to controls; the analysis also suggested a larger effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine in patients with less severe COVID-19 disease (PO2/FiO2 > 300, interaction p-value<.0001). Our results are remarkably similar to those shown by Arshad et al.”
INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF INFECTIOUS DISEASE, Effectiveness of Hydroxychloroquine in COVID-19 disease: A done and dusted situation?, Antonellad’Arminio MonforteAlessandroTavelliFrancescaBaiGiuliaMarchettiAlessandroCozzi-Lepri
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ijid.2020.07.056
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220306007
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30600-7/fulltex

 

No, I told him he had less support for his argument than even flat eathers do.

No, it was just a statement of fact. I spent many years debating with flat eathers on forums

 

I guess you were right, you got my post removed! Well done.

Maybe someone can explain the difference between thinking there is a grand conspiracy to trick people into thinking the earth is round and thinking that there is a grand conspiracy in which governments around the world are letting their citizens die so that Big Pharma can make more money.

I am really confused as to why one of those is worse than the other.

 

You only provided articles with those claims using Hydroxy by itself. Follow the bouncing ball. That is not the claim. Do you have be told another dozen times or will the first dozen eventually sink in?

Because no such claim EVER existed. You just made it up when you found an article about Hydroxy. You will NEVER find an article that claims Hydroxy and Zinc only worked part of the time or doesn't work. If you could find it, you would post it. Your opinion of what you think you read has no value.

We do? Then post these claims about Hydroxy and Zinc. Or admit you have no clue.

You don't get to present an article on the use of Hydroxy alone and claim your little victory. It doesn't work that way, and neither does science. If Zinc raises PH levels in cells, then it will do it in every cell. Just like the vaccine. If it works, it will work for the VAST majority, no just some here and there.

Zinc doesn't raise PH levels in cells up front, and then doesn't do it anymore. You don't make any sense.

Either find this claim that Hydroxy and Zinc don't work (which doesn't exist on the planet) or move on. You're just wasting time and thread space.

 

If Hydroxy and zinc worked the way you claim, then all the countries around the world would not have quit using Hydroxy.

Why, yes it does work that way. If Hydroxy and Zinc were as effective as you claim it would still be used around the world, but it is not.

There are two possible reasons for that, one is that it is not all that effective or two there is a world wide conspiracy in which the governments around the world are letting their citizens die so that big pharma can make even more money. I would say the latter is as silly as the flat earth, but I would get in trouble for that so I won't, though I do not see much difference between the two theories.

 

You're shooting blanks Darth.

 

Whatever helps you sleep at night little buddy!

 

I agree with the sentiment, but do not support unconstitutional actions to fight the Constitution destroyers.

I agree both sides affect the media but it is terribly lopsided. 90% of the made up or deliberately misleading media comes from the leftist/Democrat side.

 

Do you agree that during these last 20 years the legislative assaults against the Constitution have been clearly bipartisan in nature?

 

No, 95% of the assaults against the Constitution have come from leftists and Democrats, often quite openly and unabashedly so. It started on steroids when we elected in 2008 a former law professor (well associate professor, but who's counting) that taught the deficiencies (in his opinion) of the Constitution. But mostly it is not that they despise the Constitution inherently. It is because the Constitution stands firmly in the way of their goals and objectives which is a government that the Constitution eschews.

 

Once again the use of ad hominem attacks is usually motivated by a desire to cancel debate. Dismissive contempt for the people who disagree with you precludes rational discussion.

Why would anyone still trust Big Pharma to focus on anything other than making "more money"? Is that rather obvious objective fact supposed to be a "grand conspiracy"?

"But in many cases the training is ritual rather than technical, it's only function being to restrict entry to positions of power. In other words, the doctrine of the common person's incompetence is a symbolic expression by dominant people of their own effortless superiority, reinforced by restrictive actions taken in the name of the efficiency but having the force of repression. The ideology and it's accompanying regulations together keep out the unwashed. There is an ample repertoire of justification. Appeals to common sense, to greed, to fear, to altruism—all have a part to play."
THE PREVALENCE OF DECEIT, F. G. Bailey, Cornell University Press, Ithaca, NY 1991.pp. 83, 84.

 

I would remind you that perhaps the largest formal assault on the US Constitution came by way of the Unpatriot Act and its related acts like the Military Commissions Act and AUMF. I would remind you that all of that legislative garbage was begun by the Neocons along with Bush & Co, and were delivered by way of strong bipartisan votes, landslides.

 

It is not about trusting Big Pharma, it is about believing that countries around the world care so very much about Big Pharma that they would willingly let their citizens die just so Big Pharma can make even more money.

But hey, some people think there is a world wide conspiracy to hide the fact the earth is flat, so I guess people will believe anything.