Minneapolis to create unarmed traffic enforcement division

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  1. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    You can't expect those with an agenda to actually read what they post, can you? Notice how many likes were received from the usual suspects
     
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    Because, Mello, there's a certain percentage of people among us who are in a brain-dead STUPOR and/or simply STOOPID, about half the time or more....

    Why do so many 'perps' and criminals pull so MUCH of the crap they do...?! And that is a large part of why we need a strong, well-equipped, no-bullshit police force to protect the rest of us from this growing national PESTILENCE!
     
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    Assuming that’s true, having them waste time on stopping someone because they have an air freshener on their mirror is a bad use of their time.
     
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    I don't know what the law is regarding "an air freshener on their mirror", but if having one of those things hanging from the real-view mirror is against the law, then the vehicle's owner should remove the damn thing! Then, if he really feels militant about it, he should plan to go to the next city council meeting and raise hell to get the ordinance about air fresheners inside a vehicle's passenger compartment CHANGED.

    Afterthought: Isn't it interesting how many of the miseries people suffer in life are those they bring on THEMSELVES...? :spin:
     
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    The UK doesn't have a black population that is nearly equal to the culture of the black population in the U.S.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I agree but we have to be honest and reasonable here. Not everybody is rational and thinks the way I assume you do and the way I do. Would I risk arrest instead of accepting a ticket? No of course not because that would be dumb, and even if I felt the ticket was unjust I would still not attempt to flee and then get arrested. Honestly I'd likely just pay it because I don't have time for this stuff but if I cared enough I would accept the ticket and fight it in court. Not everybody is as rational as that. There have been countless routine traffic stops that turned into felony offenses because some people are just stupid. I had a childhood friend do that. This idiot rolls through a stop sign and the cops try to pull him over and he flees from the cops and then stops the car and takes off into the woods. He calls me from jail that night asking for bail money. A probable warning for failure to yield resulted in a jail stint because this dummy decided to try to outrun the cops instead of stopping. Oh and he got another charge for lying to the cops when they finally caught him and he gave them his brothers name.

    And he is by no means the only one who acts like that. People are not always intelligent by any means and people routinely act like this even with armed cops. I really don't believe this sort of behavior will decrease with unarmed traffic enforcement folks. I believe a much better solution to free up the cops from dealing with stupid stuff like hanging air fresheners in the window would be to change the laws that make it illegal to hang air fresheners in the window so that the cops don't have to waste their time dealing with that sort of thing.
     
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    So some patrol maid can send them a ticket. Let the cops handle crimes with actual victims and not just revenue grabs.
     
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    Parking illegal is also a crime but most cities leave that enforcement to meter maids. Same idea here I think.
     
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    Do you believe unarmed traffic enforcement will be attempting to pull over stolen cars?
     
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    But they may have time to clean the scene.
     
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    The occupant is generally not in the vehicle when the meter expires. Most of the time the driver is when there is a traffic stop. That's when the guy with the boat load of drugs or the body in the trunk shoots the officer who pulled them over.
     
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    The officer would have been shot in this example whether armed or not
     
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    If the person who pulled them over had no power to search them or the car, where is the motivation to shoot them?
     
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    I guess my question is what is the actual point of doing this? Are they trying to make the claim that unarmed traffic enforcement people will be less intimidating to people when they are stopped than the cops would thus hopefully making things go smoother? I'm reading claims of freeing up police resources for other things but if the police resources are stretched thin then why not focus on hiring more cops?
     
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    I think the two most dangerous functions of an officer are Traffic stops and family disturbances.
     
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    Dumbest decision on the planet! Good luck finding morons to take those jobs!
     
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    The drugs or body in the trunk. The robbery they just pulled and convenience store clerk they left bleeding out. Whatever caused them to be speeding anyway.
     
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    A police officer can shoot back.
     
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    Definitely true. Though, it does seem possible that both are made dangerous by the person responding to those incidences having too much authority to cause those incidences to escalate from momentary unpleasantness to lifelong unpleasantness. For example, someone transporting cocaine is not going to try to shoot at someone writing them a ticket for running a stop sign if they know the person writing the ticket cannot also send them to jail for ten years if they find the cocaine.
     
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    What if they are on probation and making another run? The probation or warrant will show up when the tags are run, the perps know this.
     
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    I don't see why their tags need to be 'run' at all. Simply recording them for later submission would suffice to serve the fine for the traffic violation as well as protect the responder from being attacked by the offender in effort to prevent being caught. This entire concept of using contact for the commission of minor crimes as a method to catch major criminals is at the very root of the problem. Going after major criminals might be a better job for a dedicated team with advanced training and weaponry as opposed to the lone bureaucrat expecting to issue a minor fine.
     
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    I do. My wife and I were in the UK at the time.
     
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    This seems like extra steps then. So if a tag is recorded and it belongs to me and I receive a fine in the mail and I refuse to pay it then I have a failure to pay warrant or something that will ping when my tags are run. So when the peace officer traffic enforcement people see my tags then can they stop me or do they call the real police to stop me?
     
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    Are people rushing to join the unarmed traffic police force?
     
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    They may think it will be an easy-peezy civil service job. But, after a few dozen of them start getting killed by perps and criminals, these jobs may get MUCH less popular....
     
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