The Resurrection and the Death of Atheism

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  1. Cosmo

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    Homo sapiens did not evolve from apes.
    Millions of years ago humans shared a common ancestor with modern African apes.The species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids.
     
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    There are a number of factors that could have led to the Cambrian explosion.

    Early Earth atmosphere contained no oxygen. The oxygen we breathe was formed by bacteria. Oxygen allows for far more complex proteins to be developed. And, it opens up whole new locations for life to be successful. The Cambrian explosion could be more a matter of increasing the limits of complexity and allowing whole new niches to be populated. Ozone appears to have arisen at about that time, and would have shielded lifeforms from destructive radiation. Volcanism from about that time dramatically increased the amount of calcium in sea water, making the creation of bones, shell, etc. far easier. There are genes that control the expression of other genes, the result being that there can be surprising diversity coming from one set of genes. There are general reasons for evolution to happen faster such as arms races between predator and prey and coevolution, though that alone doesn't necessarily explain why it would happen at the specific time of the Cambrian explosion. There are signs of horizontal gene migration at the time - such as genes from bacteria finding their way into the genes of sponges.

    So, there are a significant number of contributors or possible contributors to that explosion - mainly adding up to whole new niches becoming available when they simply weren't previously available to life forms.

    One could then wonder why the explosion didn't continue or why it didn't occur again. The answer to that seems to be that the Cambrian was the result of enormous new niches in which life could thrive. But after that, these niches became competitive and the chance of whole new niches opening up no longer existed. There just hasn't been the kind of change that would allow for that level of explosion.
     
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    Humans didn't evolve from apes.

    That is simply NOT how evolution works.

    They way it works is that apes and humans developed from an earlier population that became divided, with one branch becoming apes and the other branch becoming humans.
    And, Piltdown man was a purposeful fake!

    But, that doesn't disprove evolution. It only demonstrates some of the foibles of humans.
     
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    Piltdown Man has been revealed to be a deliberate hoax. The skull fragment actually came from a modern human, and the jawbone portion and two teeth were from an orangutan. The teeth had been filed down to make them look human, and the bones and teeth had been stained to give them the appearance of being ancient. The entire "discovery" was forged from the outset to fool people who would not search for the truth.
     
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    Hah on me - you already had that one handled!
     
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    Java Man was constructed from widely-scattered-bones-a skull-cap and femur found far apart in a gravel deposit. They were actually unrelated parts of a human being and a giant gibbon.

    Peking Man was based only on monkey-like skulls that were bashed in at the back. Because they were found with various animal bones and tools, it was assumed that these "tool-using apes" were man's ancestors. Instead, it was discovered that these animals were man's meal, and the tools were used on them rather than by them.

    Neanderthal Man was determined to be completely human-just plain, modern people with a well-developed culture, art, and religion, but who suffered from dietary deficiencies.

    Lucy could not be a "missing link" because it has been determined that man walked upright before the time of Lucy.

    "The missing link" is still missing-and will forever remain missing because the rule holds for humans as for all other life forms: There are no transitional forms. Everything appears in the fossil record suddenly, and perfectly formed.
     
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    Everyone is born with a desire to seek God, but people mistaken that desire for other things, like religion. https://www.gotquestions.org/Christianity-religion-relationship.html

     
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    What point are you attempting to make here?

    You very clearly have no interest in discussing any one of these cases.

    You claim there was a "missing link" to find, but it wasn't found. TONS of stuff hasn't been found, as you own claims demonstrate. And, you know now that evolution doesn't work by having discrete "links".
     
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    While there is plenty of evidence for microevolution (adaptation within a species), macroevolution-the supposed development of one species into another-has no evidence to support it. None. Scientists have found no transitional fossils and no missing links.
     
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    Atheism is a mental luxury enjoyed mostly by post-capitalist urban folk (who mostly happen to be white).

    The atheist is a fool in assuming that his disbelief makes any difference to Reality.

    The universe will continue to do as it was planned to do, as it has been doing since the beginning.

    In this light, atheism can be argued to be super-belief, as opposed to plain disbelief. Why? Because atheism is in actuality a major form of desperation for cosmic attention.....
     
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    Piltdown man was exposed by scientists. The fact that it took forty years is certainly no shining example of science in action, but it does show that science corrects errors.

    One hoax cannot indicate the inferiority of conventional archeology, because creationists have several of their own, including Paluxy footprints,the Calaverus skull,Moab and Malachite Man and others.
    More telling is how people deal with these hoaxes. When Piltdown was exposed, it stopped being used as evidence. The creationist hoaxes, however, can still be found cited as if they were real.

    Piltdown has been over and done with for decades, but the dishonesty of creationist hoaxes continues.
     
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    Atheism doesn't exist. Everyone believes in God and some people choose to suppress that knowledge to follow their own desires. People think that being their own god makes them free, but it's fake freedom. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Atheism/people_choose_not_to_believe.htm

     
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    Dr. Colin Patterson, director of the British Museum of Natural History, and a highly respected evolutionist, wrote a book about evolution. When asked why his book didn't include any illustration of transitional fossils, Dr. Patterson, who has seven million fossils in his museum, replied https://creation.com/that-quote-about-the-missing-transitional-fossils

    I fully agree with your comments on the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossils or living, I certainly would have included it. I will lay it on the line. There is not one such fossil for which one might make a watertight argument.
     
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    You still aren't getting how evolution works.

    Until you do, your arguments just don't make sense. I know you've been fed a story on how evolution works, but that story is just plain bogus.

    Every species that has ever existed, every form that has existed within a species is a transitional form. There aren't any that AREN'T transitions.

    There are gaps in the fossil record, but that has NOTHING AT ALL to do with evolution. It has to do with the fact that it's hard to find fossils, resulting in the fact that we've found only a miniscule percent of the life forms that have existed.

    That's not a falsification of evolution.

    That's a falsification of YOUR idea that a complete record should be findable.

    Evolution theory makes very strong statements about what WILL be found in the fossil record. It is a statement of the time sequence of production of features in life forms.

    The fact that this strong statement has held across all discoveries of ancient life is VERY strong evidence.

    The fact that new species arrive in the record at specific times is proof that life was NOT all created at once.

    Fossils absolutely DO demonstrate a progression of features, and that progression is consistent with the constant change as described by evolution. Not having a complete fossil record is irrelevant as all fossils found demonstrate this constant progression.

    There is NO other theory that answers the questions of the production of the stupendous diversity we find in life on Earth as well as the dramatically increasing complexity over time.
     
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    Niles Eldridge, a leading expert in vertebrate fossils, decided to honestly weigh the evidence. Here is his conclusion https://reflectionsonpaperspast.wordpress.com/2020/07/23/revisiting-eldredge-and-gould-1972/

     
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    Atheist make no assertions.

    Theists make assertions of a God. When asked for the evidence they never provide it. Never. As you don't provide any.

    It is the Theists that are desperate for attention as demonstrated by their inventing an invisible magic man that watches over them, has a plan for them, and grants them favors if petitioned by prayer.

    If you want to bring race into the discussion, how many white people believe in Animism or carry a Ju-Ju bag.
     
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    Although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Romans 1:21

    Belief in God forces a person to face the fact that he or she is accountable to him. Many people are unwilling to accept accountability to anyone, let alone God. Romans 1:18-19 says that they 'know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them, 'but that they suppress the truth.'
     
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    LOL ... believers are such epic dupes.

    Just hilarious watching them desperately try to justify their childish fantasy that some god exists...
     
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    Quote mining:
    Deceptively editing or taking a quotation out of context so as to attribute the author with a different or even contrary view.
     
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    Many people take refuge in atheism or agnosticism-because it is a convenient escape from the challenging reality that they are accountable to their Creator. What is presented as 'I cannot believe' is more usually in reality 'I do not want to believe."

    Atheistic philosopher Thomas Nagel acknowledged in The Last Word, "I want atheism to be true and am made uneasy by the fact that some of the most intelligent and well-informed people I know are religious believers.
     
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    Ever actually read Thomas Nagel yourself?
     
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    It is amusing but in this thread I strongly suspect trolling.
     
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    The Law of Biogenesis proves that evolution is not possible. And the complete lack of fossil evidence supports that conclusion. Another fact that led me to reject evolution was the Law of Probability, which also shows the impossibility of life arising from non-life.
     

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