Explain Me This

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by independentthinker, Aug 13, 2021.

  1. independentthinker

    independentthinker Well-Known Member

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    At a time when the left are for open immigration and letting in hundreds of thousands of illegals every year across our Southern border, we turn tail and run in Afghanistan, leaving behind hundreds of thousands to be beheaded or worse and basically tell them, "sorry about your luck, you're on your own, no matter what happens - your problem, not ours. We're outta here.".
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    This is explained by historical perspective. Since WWII, this is what we do, the US government. Watch Oliver Stone's "The Untold History of the United States" if you need more explanation and perspective.
     
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    Afghanistan-ians don’t vote in the US.
     
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    Maybe, just like the Russians before us, the US should have never invaded Afghanistan? Talk about not learning from history. I bet, however, that you supported GWB's invasion after 9/11. Just wondering: How long should the US occupy Afghanistan? Forever?
     
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    Where did you get the idea that the left is for open immigration? Tucker Carlson? Alex Jones? Some QAnon Facebook conspiracy group?

    Do tell...
     
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    I don't think Biden's plan to bring back the troops from the Middle East originated with him. I think it was part of President Trumps proposed foreign policy. He cut the number of troops there in 2019.
     
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    You're talking apples vs. oranges. We trained 30,000 Afghan military and equipped them with the latest, most modern equipment. What we couldn't do is give them the will to defend their own country. Whether we left a year ago or 20 years from now things would not be different. The Afghan's have bowed to the Taliban just as the Iraqui's bowed to us back in the early 2000's.
     
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    The LEFT isn't just open for immigration, the 10 or 12 democrat candidates for president in 2020 all said they were on board with open immigration, and if you've been paying attention to the border crisis these past 6 months where all of Trump's effective border policies had been quickly reversed by biden to now we're seeing unprecedented record breaking infiltration of illegals through that border on a daily basis. You need to tune into FOX TV so as to get full video access of the horrendous breakdown of the illegals streaming across our border. And of course biden and his useless border czar are nowhere to be found near that crisis territory.
     
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    Afghans are not important to the biden Administration. Future democrat voters on the other hand are very much so. It makes perfect sense.
     
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    I did support the Iraq invasion. I did also support going into Afghanistan to get Bin Laden. And, it was nice that we temporarily turned Afghanistan into a democracy. The whole thing is a tough call but just up and leaving the country to let it quickly fall turned the whole thing into even being worse than when we left Vietnam. I don't know what would have happened differently under Trump because Trump also wanted us out of these places. So, it may have been no different under Trump. Probably what we should have done was just bomb the crap out of the Taliban in the first place. It was kind of stupid to just leave all of these Taliban around and then leave.
     
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    Oh please. The left do everything they can to let these people in while claiming they are not for open borders. Give me a break.
     
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    Yup illegals in mass crossing the border illegally must just be a made up fantasy
    Good to know
     
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    We should have bombed the hell out of the Taliban so they didn't have large enough numbers to do this.
     
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    No they didn't. That's a lie.
     
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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u...-topped-200-000-in-july/ar-AANfQ1b?li=BBnbcA1
     
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    how much longer do you want to stay there? would you rather pay for their infrastructure than ours? we have been arming and training their army for a generation, would another 20 years of training help them gold out for an extra week when we leave?

    we should never have been there. what is in it for us to stay?
     
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    lololololololol yea, right. do you remember why we invaded them to begin with?
     
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    Because that worked out so well in Vietnam, right?
     
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    hard to bomb people living in caves
     
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    Source?
    Are you saying it's not okay to help people to the South of the USA but it's important to help people in Afghanistan?

    If so, what's the difference between them?

    If not, what are you trying to convey?

    Or is this just another "beat up on Biden" rant?
     
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    I think the original point was how do you bomb someone into the stone age when they already live in the stone age?
    But hey it was just a few trillion dollars over 40 years?....Couldnt spend it on anything more important?
     
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    We should have bombed the hell out of the Taliban years ago. That way we wouldn't have been there for years.
     
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    As a mater of documented reality, vast numbers of undocumented aliens were entering the United States every year of the Former Guy's regime (Note the periodic spikes in the chart below.) and he had also blown gas about extracting the U.S. from the Bush quagmire in Afghanistan long before that.
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    After repeatedly calling for withdrawal from Afghanistan over many years...


    ... the Former Guy criticized the President's target date of September 11. He insisted that it should be sooner, and the President accommodated his wish:


     
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    Did we bomb the hell out of N Vietnam before leaving?
     
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    Ah, but we've got MOABs
     

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