US deploying 3,000 troops to help evacuate Afghan embassy staff as Taliban advances

You cannot be serious ?

Trump would have done none of that. He wanted out, therefor he set in motion a plan to do just that. Hell one of the core platforms from his campaign was to end the war in Afghanistan.

And they didnt "overrun" the bases, the Afghani Military GAVE them up.

 

He would have held the Taliban to the deal.

 

amazing how many Trump spokespeople here at PF ... has Mejico paid for that wall yet ? ... I mean, you speak for him right? ...

 

It’s been 20 years! That’s never gonna happen!

 

How? Was he gonna invade again? Lol

 

Here is a proverb from Lao Tzu that explains how classified OPLANs work "in the world of reality" with respect to both the news media and social media - "He who knows does not say and he who says does not know."

 

While we are making excuses for excusing Joe Biden, how bout Obama releasing the Taliban brain trust for an American deserter.

Taliban Five - To paraphrase Joe Biden they were some "bad dudes who ran a bunch of bad boys"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_Five

 

Thank you for your post, Grapeape (love that username .

My apologies for the tone of my message. I am generally a calm and understanding person. I do NOT feel calm or understanding about this mess because I know what's going to happen to our soldiers, civilian employees, allies and anybody else that came within 50 feet of our people. I am beyond calm and understanding. However, I am NOT (and was not) angry at you.

I don't really care (at this point) if Biden didn't reassess. It was his job to do so. Why would he even think about blindly trusting anything Trump did? Trump wasn't even man enough to congratulate him or attend his inauguration. That's not how adults are supposed to behave.

Biden made us a promise and he said this would NOT be a repeat of what happened in Vietnam. And, he had NO business saying it unless he could personally guarantee that was the case. He better figure out how to perform a miracle and bring our people home safely. I'm done with this bloodshed.

As far as the Afghani people, who knows what their motivation was/is? We can't apply an overlay of our values onto a culture that is nothing like ours. Look at all the posters on this forum that talk all kinds of stuff but won't stand behind their convictions. They don't want the responsibility but want the right to complain about what somebody else is doing (exactly like Trump interjecting himself into everything. He had a chance. He had the football. He fumbled and hundreds of thousands people died because of it). When the Afghani people get tired, truly sick and tired of that BS they will do something about it.

And, that is exactly what we should do.
These people work for We, the People.

 

Ummm...they have China and Russia to help with maintenance. They aren't stupid people. They will figure it out. They have captured Afghan military persons that do know how they work. It also wasn't Biden's decision to pull out. Trump started the process. But, he had conditions the Taliban had to keep to fully leave. And, even then, he was going to leave troops there to assist the former Afghan government.

 

I'm referring to the withdrawal. The Aussies did send some forces to help evacuate but overall we screwed our allies with this botched pull out.

As far as world opinion I don't care...but this will weaken our military alliances with other nations. That is the issue.

 

They are about 35,000 and the Afghan forces have defeated their advancements and occupations of any key areas or major cities since 2014 at the price of 70,000 casualties. Our force of 5,000 along with the contractor support we brought and the intelligence support we brought and the air support we brought has been enough to stymie the Taliban to an ineffective force. It was an important FOB in our fight against the Islamic Jihadis who want nothing more than to bring death and destruction and upheaval to Western Civilization. Yes it will be a long hard struggle. They are a determined enemy. Surrender and retreats like this only advances THEIR cause.

 

He would have used the entire power of the USAF to obliviate their command and control, using the intelligence assets he would not have pulled because he didn't trust the Taliban to target their leaders and stopped any further withdrawal of forces until the Taliban was in compliance.

And NO I did not support his police of not leaving any force in Afghanistan. It is key that we have a FOB in the region and at the least stop any advancement of the Islamic Jihadist and Sharia Law enforcers.

 

No, there are about 85,000 of them.

Checking this number would have taken you less than 30 seconds if you had taken the time.

Haven't you realized yet that the Taliban also have the support of a large proportion of the Afghan society?

In fact, only a minority of Afghans are enemies of the Taliban.

Their return isn't a coincidence.

The population is disgusted with the corrupt warlords and the administration who do nothing for their people and get rich from heroin trafficking.

This is one of the major reasons why the US has failed to install democracy in this country.

 

Has the Taliban violated the agreement that Trump signed with them?

 

BIDEN "PULLED THE PLUG, AND THEY COLLAPSED.” ~ Ret. Army General Jack Keane, a retired American four-star general, former Vice Chief of Staff of the United States Army and Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient.

An obvious outcome given Biden's duplicity:

 

Stepping away from the partisan politics for a moment. I think there is definitely more to this than we know. That the troops left overnight without informing the Afghan army speaks to me of some intelligence received.
My best guess at the moment is that they found collusion between Afghan politicians and the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

 

Whatever it was, we've gifted the Taliban with billions of dollars worth of weaponry.

We can afford to.

 

You think they have been in compliance or something? And actually it was Biden who first broke the deal by abandoning the requirement that conditions be met

Mike Pence: Biden Broke Our Deal With the Taliban
It’s a foreign-policy humiliation unlike anything our country has endured since the Iran hostage crisis.

....In February 2020, the Trump administration reached an agreement that required the Taliban to end all attacks on U.S. military personnel, to refuse terrorists safe harbor, and to negotiate with Afghan leaders on creating a new government. As long as these conditions were met, the U.S. would conduct a gradual and orderly withdrawal of military forces.

Unanimously endorsed by the United Nations Security Council, the agreement immediately brought to Afghanistan a stability unseen in decades. In the past 18 months, the U.S. has not suffered a single combat casualty there.

By the time we left office, the Afghan government and the Taliban each controlled their respective territories, neither was mounting major offensives, and America had only 2,500 U.S. troops in the country—the smallest military presence since the war began in 2001.

America’s endless war was coming to a dignified end, and Bagram Air Base ensured we could conduct counterterrorism missions through the war’s conclusion.

The progress our administration made toward ending the war was possible because Taliban leaders understood that the consequences of violating the deal would be swift and severe. After our military took out Iranian terrorist Qasem Soleimani, and U.S. Special Forces killed the leader of ISIS, the Taliban had no doubt we would keep our promise.


But when Mr. Biden became president, he quickly announced that U.S. forces would remain in Afghanistan for an additional four months without a clear reason for doing so. There was no plan to transport the billions of dollars worth of American equipment recently captured by the Taliban, or evacuate the thousands of Americans now scrambling to escape Kabul, or facilitate the regional resettlement of the thousands of Afghan refugees who will now be seeking asylum in the U.S. with little or no vetting. Rather, it seems that the president simply didn’t want to appear to be abiding by the terms of a deal negotiated by his predecessor.

Once Mr. Biden broke the deal, the Taliban launched a major offensive against the Afghan government and seized Kabul. They knew there was no credible threat of force under this president. They’ve seen him kowtow to anti-Semitic terrorist groups like Hamas, restore millions of dollars in aid to the Palestinian Authority, and sit by earlier this year while thousands of rockets rained down on Israeli civilians....
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-p...the-taliban-11629238764?mod=opinion_lead_pos5

 

AND, how do you know this?

Is that one of those remarks akin to:

"If JFK hadn't had been shot, we would lave left Viet Nam sooner?"

Good luck with that sort of "speculation"...

 

There is a better slogan going back to WWII...'SNAFU' Situation Normal, all F**ked up.

 

Thanks for posting.

That is the FIRST time that I read any of that...

WSJ Editorial - Pence says "Biden Bad!"...

 

The agreement has been posted on here a few times

 

Here's something from former SecDef Esper.... he seems to know where a fair share of the blame falls here

SNIP
Former President Donald Trump's Defense Secretary Mark Esper said the US deal with the Taliban may have been "undermined" after Trump continued to try to get troops out of Afghanistan before the group met conditions that were part of the 2020 agreement.

"President Trump, by continuing to want to withdraw American forces out of Afghanistan, undermined the agreement - which is why in the fall, when he was calling for a return of US forces by Christmas, I objected," Esper told CNN's Christiane Amanpour.
ENDSNIP

https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-defense-secretary-says-trump-060728979.html

 

You think they have been in compliance or something?

 

History is what it is.