Administration gave Taliban names of US Citizens and allies

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Administration gave Taliban names of U.S. Citizens and allies in Afghanistan.

    "In a move no one can grasp, U.S. officials in Kabul gave the Taliban a list of names of American citizens, green card holders, and Afghan allies, believing the Taliban would allow them to enter the militant-controlled outer perimeter of the city’s airport. Lawmakers and military officials are outraged."
    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...names-of-americans-and-afghan-allies-n1473191

    One wonders if this Administration could really be that incompetent and naive, or whether they want there to be a massacre.

    Taliban forces have already been hunting down and executing Americans who were left behind, journalists, and any Afghans who assisted the Americans, even including language interpreters.


    So, does anyone believe the government can be trusted with personal information and is competent enough to make sure that information doesn't fall into the wrong hands?
     
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    By god I think the Biden Administration thinks the Taliban are our allies.
     
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    Just wondering if you can name an American citizen or Afghan ally that's been hurt by this?
     
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    They might be the ones that just disappeared but the Biden administration will say that their lack of communication is because they want to stay in Afghanistan and be oppressed.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If one of them gets killed, it will be very difficult to prove whether it was because the Taliban had been given their name and details.

    Why do you demand proof that's impossible to give?
     
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    Your OP suggests that the administration did something stupid. Has anything happened to support that? I didn't think so.
     
  7. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nice try at deflection.
    I don't know if we know that it hasn't happened. Several people have already been killed. Were their names on one of these lists? I don't know.
    There could also be more people dying in the future. We don't know the exact time when this list was handed over to the Taliban. It might have just been several days ago.
     
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    Hundreds of students and alumni of the American University of Afghanistan were told "there will be no more rescue flights" on Sunday, prompting many to go into hiding.

    Students were further alarmed upon learning that the U.S. military had given a list of their names and passport information to Taliban officials guarding the airport in Kabul, according to a report from the New York Times.

    "They told us: we have given your names to the Taliban," a 24-year-old sophomore studying business administration told the Times. "We are all terrified, there is no evacuation, there is no getting out."

    About 600 students and alumni had gathered at a safehouse on Sunday to gather before attempting to flee the country. However, upon arriving at the airport, they were turned away due to evacuation flights ending as the U.S. focuses on removing its personnel ahead of the Aug. 31 deadline.​

    American University of Afghanistan Students Told ‘There Is No Evacuation’ and That Their Names Were Given to the Taliban
    Mediaite, Katherine Huggins, August 30, 2021
     
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    Can you give me a single instance where giving the violent opposition the names of people who were most active in fighting against them was a good thing?

    What they did was incredibly stupid. So stupid, it still blows my mind as it is unparalleled in history in the degree of stupidity. Why not just hand over to the Germans the names of all the French and Belgians who assisted them in reaching the beaches of Dunkirk, asking them to be allowed to leave also before their countries were occupied? Handing over to the very force we had been fighting the names of those we most wanted to protect was one of the most bone-headed things I have ever heard of, and it will not surprise me if the end result will be a bloodbath along the lines of what happened in Kampuchea.

    When you have people literally stuffing themselves into aircraft wheel wells and being scraped out afterwards and falling off of aircraft in flight because they thought they might be able to hold on for the entire flight from Afghanistan to Qatar, that shows the absolute terror of many of the people to escape the country. Trust me, this is going to come back to haunt the administration. The Taliban is still busy focusing on regaining control of the country. But many of us remember similar instances in the past. North Korea, the Khmer Rouge, this will likely in a year or so start to resemble the latter as they start to locate the names on that list that are still in the country and "take care of them".

    For goodness sakes, this was a "government" that held messy mass public executions in soccer stadiums, and forced men into the stadium to witness it. And the administration treated them like allies. They have broken almost any agreement they made, because they believe they are allowed to do anything they want, so long as it furthers their cause. I actually would have had more faith in NAZI Germany actually following through on their agreements than I do the Taliban. At least they actually did follow most of their promises, the Taliban follow them only as long as they have to.
     
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    To be honest, I think that any foreigners they round up for the next 6-12 months will simply be deported. They know that right now, the world is watching them, and they have no real interest in causing any kind of International Incident, and will simply eject any found. Because if for some reason they did their old tricks of rounding them up then executing them, even the President would have a hard time resisting the demand that the US return in at least some form.

    But after about a year, that will change. Any located then still in hiding will likely be labeled as "spies", then given very formal show trials before being executed. In small numbers, spread apart so as it is largely ignored.

    Now the Afghans who opposed them, that is a different matter. They will likely deal with them quickly, and once again nobody will care. Most people have this amazing ability to turn a blind eye to anything that does not affect them directly. Something that Hitler and Stalin knew all to well.

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    The last I heard, the Taliban was likely trying to pressure concessions out of the Biden Administration before they would let any of them take off from a plane at the airport.

    A private charity landed two planes at that airport to try to rescue people, but the Taliban would not let those planes take off.


    At least four planes chartered to evacuate several hundred people seeking to escape the Taliban's takeover of Afghanistan have been unable to leave the country for days. The top Republican on the U.S. House Foreign Affairs Committee said that the group included Americans and they were sitting on the planes, but the Taliban were not letting them take off.
    According to one anonymous Afghan official, the majority of the would-be passengers were Afghans, many of whom did not have passports or visas, and thus were unable to leave the country, suggesting the planes were not being allowed to leave until the situation was sorted out. Many of these Afghans had worked for companies allied with the U.S. or German military.

    The Taliban Have Kept Evacuees Stuck At Afghanistan Airport For Days : NPR , September 5, 2021

    It looks like it's not entirely clear at this point what the hold up is.
     
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    They both want to destroy America so they are allies.
     
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