Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took top-secret action to protect nuclear weapons

The fact that Trump lost by a record breaking 7 million votes a true disgrace for a president especially for an incumbent president.

 

I don't have to . you can't get your head around an ex president with that much clout telling others he won the election. I doubt if my own views would have the broadband power to reach that many people.

 

Which law is it that granted him the authority to do what he (allegedly) did? Chapter and verse, please. If it exists (it doesn't), you'll probably find it in the UCMJ so that would be the first place to look.

I keep saying this over and over, and you and your gang of merry Trump haters doesn't seem be picking up what I'm putting down, but "good intentions", no matter how you or anyone else thinks about the matter, do not turn a Treasonous action into one worthy of praise and a medal. That's not even an opinion, it's an indisputable fact. Now, what is not a fact in this case, at least so far, is whether or not Milley did what Woodward's book claims he did. We may find out one day, but considering who's running the show these days, I very seriously doubt it.

Hell, if I were Milley, and I were innocent, I'd initiate a Courts Martial on myself to clear my name for posterity's sake. As it is, unless there is an actual investigation and/or a Courts Martial, there will always be an asterisk by his name in the list of former Chairmen of the JCOS. A century from now, rest assured it will be taught that he possibly committed Treason, assuming the USA and her Constitution survive that long. But with people like you running around literally justifying and applauding a Treasonous act (note: I'm talking about the ACT, not the person... And the ACT described here is Treason should it ever happen, yesterday, today, or tomorrow.

You see, this is only partially about Milley. Yes, it's alleged that he did things, blah, blah. We all know the back story.

The point that I am making is only related to Milley because he's the one in the job. The more important question is this... If General X decided on his or her own that their boss, the President of the United States lost their mind, would that then justify notifying an adversary that if we were going to attack them, he would warn them first without being ordered to do so by the "crazy" President? Likewise, would his or her self-diagnosis of their bosses mental state justify rendering the President's nuclear football inert.

The answer to both questions is no. No matter how right that General may be about the mental state of the President, it's still Treason. Because there is no law that gives the CJCOS the authority to take such unilateral actions. It's a question of what the law says, not whether or not Trump is or was crazy. The important question in this case has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump. The question is does the law allow for such actions.

 

Sorry, but I don't have the burden of proof.

If you believe that Milley acted illegally, you have to prove it.

Very funny.

If Milley has an asterisk next to his name, Trump will have a dozen.

You're going to make me cry.

You probably voted for a mental patient who staged a riot to overturn an election.

Trump is a patriot and Milley is a traitor?

What a joke.

You have understood absolutely nothing of what has happened.

Are you pretending to read what I write? You are filtering out the facts that completely contradict you.

Anyway, at the risk of repeating myself another time, Milley won't be charged with anything because he didn't do anything wrong.

Next.

 

Actually, we don't. Unless you are a degreed and certified mental health practitioner who has personally met him and gathered enough information to make an actual, formal diagnosis, neither do you.

Unfortunately, that is the only legal remedy for your perceived concerns with the now ex-President's mental state. Although our system of governance is well known for it's layers of "checks and balances", there simply is not one (other than the 25th) for these circumstances. There is no system, no infinite chain of redundancies that can possibly handle every conceivable, or not so conceivable set of circumstances. And of course we now know that regardless of how reasonable your or Milley's concerns may have seemed on January 7th, in fact they were unfounded and misguided. While you may be ready to create, or at least tolerate, "excuses" for Treason, I am not. I very much hope there are still enough people like me out here to prevent the complete dissolution of our Country by it's very roots.

The law really couldn't be more clear on this legal question. That does not mean Milley is guilty, that is a question of fact that nobody save Milley himself knows at this moment. But there is no debate to be had about the question of the law. The facts, yes, those are an unknown. But the legal question is really quite simple. The alleged acts, if they happened, are Treason. That one issue, if nothing else in this thread, is not up for debate.

He's a private citizen now. More rich and famous than you or me (well, me anyway, I don't know a thing about you), and doesn't have that kind of power. He's not the President, he's no longer Commander-In-Chief, he's just a civilian ex-President with no more power than any of the rest of us. It's people like you, not his fans, who are feeding him. If he runs in 2024, then maybe he becomes relavant again, assuming he even lives that long. Until then, forget he even exists. It's way better for your health that way.

You're way off base here. It's you and your crew who, with your willingness to excuse Treason as a "means to a desirable end" are the ones doing that. In spades. I have no quarrel with Milley personally, and though I preferred Trump to the other ex-President's wife in 2016, I was never in any way any sort of fanboi. But I cannot sit idly by and see our Constitution and the rule of law ripped to absolute shreds by those of you who don't care about it enough to enforce it's words. As a reminder, the civilian President is the Commander In Chief of the USA's military. He or she is the final authority, and outranks, at least for the period of time they occupy the Office, every star on every shoulder of every military man and woman put together. Not a single one of those Generals, even the top of them all, possesses the authority to overrule the President. If that is to be done, it must come from the Office of the VP, and even that has checks and balances built in because it requires a majority of the Cabinet to agree to put it into effect.

The actions, not the man, that Milley is accused of committing simply turn the concept of civilian rule over the military on it's head, spinning in a counter-clockwise direction. Unfortunately, the current cabal in charge in DC won't allow anything to come of it, for they need Trump to continue to be hated as bad as he needs to continue to be loved. Forget him, he's yesterday's news. But the allegations against Milly simply must be investigated if the rule of law is going to mean anything in this country.

 

Amazing so many people don't know how the President is elected in this country.

 

He sent a letter to Raffensperger last week, demanding he decertify the election. Koo-koo bird.

So, yes, he is running around pretending he's the real president. He's a sick man.

 

Where those legal votes? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

Lol. Of course they were legal votes.

 

This false outrage from the MAGA's on this forum highlights your complete lack of knowledge of how the government works.

No official can speak to a foreign representative without being listened to by dozens of people.

So the fact that Trump was not informed of the content of the conversation between Milley and General Li Zuocheng is proof that hundreds of senior officials in the Trump administration shared his concerns about the President's mental state.

 

Record breaking? Trump's handling of covid 19 is what cost him the election.

 

Now this is some seriously flimsy "proof", talk about a stretch wow. In fact it's only proof in far leftie land where they have to drag Trump into every thread and start multiple threads a day about a former president to excuse the current president.

 

No, just demonstrated to be illegitimate if they can get some audits done

 

I think I've told you many times before that the fact that Trump is still occupying the public space is a boon to liberals.

Trump refuses to return to anonymity and continues to make your life miserable.

Isn't that fantastic?

 

Nonsense. Trump handled COVID just fine. It was the media's portrayal of his handling of COVID that cost him votes.

 

Taliban offered US chance to secure ALL of Kabul after Ghani fled the country - but Biden REFUSED | Daily Mail Online

 

And you're one of the few paying attention, no one cares about Trump, he's not the president, he won't get past the primaries even if he did run again and we're happy about that. We also understand your diversion tactics or you are so obsessed with Trump you have to mention him 50 to 100 times a day.

 

did Trump tell everyone we would have an Easter miracle?

 

But what planet do you live on?

55% of your fellow conservatives believe Trump is the legitimate President.

Among Republican elected officials, 60% say the most important thing to get them re-elected is to agree with Trump.

If Trump were to run again, he would win the nomination hands down.

And he'd still be raking in millions for his Big Lie.

Even you would still vote for him knowing that he's a demagogue of the worst kind.

So Trump remains by far the greatest political peril in this nation.

For Liberals, using Trump as a scarecrow is certainly a winning strategy and they won't make the mistake of underestimating him twice.

 

So you believe in martians, wow hard to compete with that. Back up your number if not we'll just right it off as more made up BS. Your projections are funny, a far left lib telling a moderate conservative republican who would be nominated by the republican party based on fake numbers. Yes Trump is making money off this and exactly why he's laughing all the way to the bank every time the media and the left's hair catches fire and talks about him. He gets click cash and you keep him relevant, congrats. Is this November 2020 or Sept 2021, your talking about an election 9 months later when we have dire issues going on TODAY like:

Afghanstan disaester
Covid Raging
Vaccine controversy
Humanitarian crisis at the border
Inflation sky rocketing
Unemployment still higher than anyone projected

 

The General did his job, did the right thing.

 

The most dangerous President we have ever had was Obama and he's still pulling strings. The only thing Trump threatened was the plans for "fundamental change."

What was "fundamentally" bad about the US?

 

You have repeatedly implied, if not outright said that the US has a NFU policy globally. In fact, reading between the lines from the post wherein you included that link was one of those times, which is why when I discovered it said what it said, I called you out for it. The President has the authority to launch a first strike against China, without Congressional nor anyone else's permission.

The opposite of that truth has been referred to directly and/or indirectly, by you and others, throughout the life of this thread, and it's an important distinction. Because it is up to the President's discretion to do so at any time, any effort to circumvent his ability to issue that order, except for using the 25th Amendment to remove said President from Office, becomes an act of Treason.

At the very least you guys could and should just come right out and say "Yes, it was Treason, but I don't care about that, it was still a good idea." That's a pretty sick and frightening position to take, but it would at least be intellectually honest as that is the bush you've been beating around this entire thread.

 

The United States has a two-man rule in place at nuclear launch facilities, and while only the president can order the release of nuclear weapons, the order must be verified by the secretary of defense to be an authentic order given by the president (there is a hierarchy of succession in the event that the president is ...

 

Yep where the Afghan's could have controlled the outside areas and we the close perimeter instead of letting the Taliban let the two suicide bombers through.