Was Adam supposed to sin in God's great plan?

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  1. Jolly Penguin

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    Makes sense to me. Democracy over dictatorship.

    And I agree with you that biblical "sin" just means obedience to God. It has nothing to do with morality unless you have a "might makes right" mindset.

    Adam disobeyed God in eating the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, and did so before eating it, so can't have known it was bad to disobey God.

    The whole point of all of this is obviously to shape people to be subservient to authority figures and obedient to power. It is a useful tool for the rulers to control the masses, as they pretend to speak for "God".
     
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    Keep your reincarnation **** out of our chat and we can perhaps have one.

    The choice was to do as commanded or not.

    How do you get a spectrum out of two choices?

    Note how I do not go TLDR like you do and quote others minimally.

    Return the favor.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    How could he not? God has a plan for humans, supposedly. God knows the full script of the plan, being omniscient and all.

    Not was Adam suppose to sin, God knew the exact moment Adam would sin.
     
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    Why did god need Adam to keep the plan on track?

    Why would life without sin be against god's wishes for us?

    Why do we not see this genocidal god as evil?

    Most importantly, what is the great good in sins?

    I have a few answers and look forward to your opinions on this myth.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    democracy is a dictatorship, mob dictatorship, 50.0001% dictate what the remaining 49.9999% 'have' to obey.

    Unless of course you are biden then you can dicktate that everyone associated with the feds has to get a vaccine.
    How is that different from obdience to law?

    What is the difference between Sin and Crime? - Quora
    https://www.quora.com › What-is-the-difference-between-...

    Jun 12, 2016 — A crime is committed when someone goes contrary to a human law. A sin is committed when someone does anything that is contrary to the will of God.
    so dont steal, dont murder has nothing to do with morals? Seriously?
    yep
    dont need it today, they just shoot ya, and the doj gives them a free pass for doing so.
     
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    Didn't you just contradict yourself?
     
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    No

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    Then either god isn't all-knowing, or god isn't all-powerful, of god doesn't love his creation. But god is love (1 John 4:8 and 16) and god is pure (1 John 3:3) and god wants all to be saved (1 Timothy 2:4).

    God's will is done (The Lord's Prayer) since god is all-powerful. So if Adam sinned, god wanted it to be so.

    Two things interfere: This is an amazing contradiction, and "believers" disregard biblical contradictions.
     
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    You can say "no" but it looks like you did. And your lack of clarification/explanation only makes it look more so.
     
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    And Christians thus defeat or ignore the purpose of the bible.

    To make them think.

    Not doing so is why they adore a genocidal moral monster that they can somehow see as good.

    Insanity and total immorality thaqt.

    Regards
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    That is how Christians can delude themselves.

    You have seen their same habits on moral issues.

    Those, when they bother, really brings out their immoral sense.

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    yet history records no genocide committed by God? wtf?
     
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    Liar.

    Noah and Armageddon are all I have to say to show what a liar you are.

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    understandably since I proved that is nonsense. the kings of the earth are not considered God except in your overactive imagination.

    Armageddon

    biblical place

    By Robert E. Lerner View Edit History

    Related Topics:
    Christianity eschatology New Testament Revelation to John

    Full Article

    Armageddon, (probably Hebrew: “Hill of Megiddo”), in the New Testament, place where the kings of the earth under demonic leadership will wage war on the forces of God at the end of history. Armageddon is mentioned in the Bible only once, in the Revelation to John, or the Apocalypse of St. John (16:16).
    https://www.britannica.com/place/Armageddo
    n

    Nothing about God waging war, seems the demonic kings will do all the waging!
    of course lets not forget the minions of the demonic kings! LMAO
    google is your worst enemy!
    Most people would consider it would be pretty stupid to claim God is self immolating, but nothing would surprise me anymore coming from irreparably bent out of shape neoatheists now days.



    So you believe that God somehow made this giant flood to wipe out mankind? Seriously? Sounds like massive contradiction to me!

    I guess thats what being a gnostic is all about huh?

    We can clearly see who is lying about armegeddon!

    We can also clearly see that you believe God physically did all these things, God is very real in your world, therefore in your world God exists in your world and it goes without saying God will exact appropriate punishment against those who work along side the demonic kings of the earth by claiming God is genocidial prick.

    sweet dreams!

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    True for today.

    Not so for ancient emperors.

    Who made such a stupid comment.

    Get the quote or own it.

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    Find an answer to this: When did God create Hell? Was it before God created Adam, or after? Before he ate the fruit, or after.
     
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    IDK.

    I would think that, in this myth, hell was created when Satan was cast from heaven.

    Strange that a god whose will it is to save us all, ends in loosing most of us on the wide road to hell, instead of the narrow path to heaven.

    Yahweh seems incompetent.

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    “And don't tell me God works in mysterious ways,' Yossarian continued, hurtling on over her objection. 'There's nothing so mysterious about it. He's not working at all. He's playing. Or else He's forgotten all about us. That's the kind of God you people talk about - a country bumpkin, a clumsy, bungling, brainless, conceited, uncouth hayseed. Good God, how much reverence can you have for a Supreme Being who finds it necessary to include such phenomena as phlegm and tooth decay in His divine system of creation? What in the world was running through that warped, evil, scatological mind of His when He robbed old people of the power to control their bowel movements? Why in the world did He ever create pain?”
    ― Joseph Heller, Catch-22
     
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    I think I have mentioned that Gnostic Christians do not have a problem of evil or pain. In fact, we think it should be embraced, so to speak, when seen at work in us and nature.

    We see it as a small part of a larger good.

    All people, as units and parts of nature, cause pain by the competitions or fitness tests that we subject ourselves to.

    Get rid of pain from our collective competitions and we go extinct.

    The weak would inherit the Earth and that cannot be let to happen.

    A Gnostic Christian will see and embrace pain, so as to not give up it's healing and increase of fitness properties.

    Such issues is why we also see Heave here and now. We like to think we know how things work, as we study the Earth like we study God.

    Gnosis shows you the only God you will ever know.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Yes, but in our make work world, look at the jobs in the diaper industry.

    Look for the heaven in reality and you might find some.

    Regards
    DL
     

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