Edit: I just realized “derp state” in the title of this thread. Get your licks in if you want, but Derp state is just as firing for the cabal of clowns that run this country. This myth of Trump vs the Deep state needs to die.Trump talked a good game, and the only viable alternative was someone as horrible as Hillary Clinton. I can understand why people voted for Trump in 2016. But, like every single politician that reaches the White House, Trump threw that rhetoric that got him there in the first place. You can’t claim to be draining the swamp, when you surround yourself with slimy swamp creatures. If you put psychopaths like Mike Pompei or John Bolton in your administration, you are the swamp. Kidnapping, assassination and a London shoot-out: Inside the CIA's secret war plans against WikiLeaks https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.y...t-war-plans-against-wiki-leaks-090057786.html Yahoo news “While Assange had been on the radar of U.S. intelligence agencies for years, these plans for an all-out war against him were sparked by WikiLeaks’ ongoing publication of extraordinarily sensitive CIA hacking tools, known collectively as “Vault 7,” which the agency ultimately concluded represented “the largest data loss in CIA history.” President Trump’s newly installed CIA director, Mike Pompeo, was seeking revenge on WikiLeaks and Assange, who had sought refuge in the Ecuadorian Embassy since 2012 to avoid extradition to Sweden on rape allegations he denied. Pompeo and other top agency leaders “were completely detached from reality because they were so embarrassed about Vault 7,” said a former Trump national security official. “They were seeing blood.” I get it if you don’t trust journalists, or unnamed sources. You have the right to be skeptical, I take most stories surrounding Trump with a grain of salt as well, considering the media’s track record. I also will fairly point out that Julian Assange is in fact still alive, so obviously that plan was not carried out. But, shouldn’t one take pause if this story is in fact true? It’s true that Trump did surround himself with slime balls, there’s no countering that fact. I also think it’s fair to say that the CIA is stock full of psychopaths. This agency is pretty much legalized organized crime. I’m with the laws of probability, and of the opinion that this plan was in fact seriously considered. I would in fact like to know who decided to not approve the assassination of Julian Assange, and what their logic was behind that decision. The good news considering this revelation, is that no British judge in their right mind would now consider the extradition of Julian Assange to the United States, since in fact that’s what Biden’s DOJ is pursuing. Next, the US government’s case against Assange was already built on a heap of rubbish, since one of the government’s main witness against Assange has already recanted his testimony. Back too my main point. Voting for Trump in 2024 is in fact a vote for the deep state. Voting for one of the two corporate parties is in fact voting for the deep state.
"Back too my main point. Voting for Trump in 2024 is in fact a vote for the deep state. Voting for one of the two corporate parties is in fact voting for the deep state." So the correct action is to let the deep state run unopposed?
That’s a good question that I have no satisfactory answer too. Honestly, thank you for bringing that up. I think this is the conundrum cynical voters like myself face. In the beginning Trump was the Molotov cocktail that voters threw at the the deep state, but eventually Trump learned to go along to get along with what so many people despise, and eventually the deep state brought Trump down in the end. I know it’s probably unsatisfactory to pose a question to your question, but If one plans on voting for Trump in 2024, on the basis of fighting the deep state, is it wise to really expect different results?
Well first, I disagree with your premise that Trump was co-opted by the "deep state." I think it's more of a situation that Trump fought the deep state and the deep state won. As to your question, I don't see any possible way that Trump could win in 2024 or any other year. The past ten days on this forum have had the talking points of the establishment, as mouthed by our resident forum leftists, strongly in support of the military taking charge of aspects of civilian government if that civilian government is Trump. So if by chance Trump should win in 2024, I would expect "something" to prevent him from talking office; even if tanks have to roll down Pennsylvania Ave. That's something I wouldn't have believed a year ago but I believe it now. And I believe every forum poster who supported Milley offering to give an attack heads up to the Chinese would support it. Any other candidate besides Trump would probably not have much more success with the permanent government than Trump did. Trump certainly committed a number of boners that made that situation worse, but as a result, the deep state is a much more hardened institution.
Mostly yes, but I'm not sure in what way Pompeo fought against the President's military and foreign policy goals. Bolton is of course more obvious, but he was hired at a time in which the major foreign policy issue was North Korea, and Bolton had an expertise, and was hated by, the North Koreans. So he was useful as leverage against the Norks. However after North Korea cooled off , he should have been fired. Instead, he was allowed to run loose sabotaging the administration for a year or so.
