2022 Olympics

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The test in which Valieva tested positive goes back to December and the results were delayed because of Covid. The Russian Olympic committee said that every test taken since then has been negative.

    Of course our propaganda networks pounced on it, but then again what can one expect from them anyway.
     
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    why a 15-year-old girl took drugs for the heart (which is no longer in her blood) is the same question as: "why Norwegian biathletes take asthma drugs right during the Olympic performances."

    Perhaps the girl had very intense training and her heart needed to be strengthened.

    The fact is that at the time of the performances, the girl did not have doping in her blood.
     
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    You are misinformed. First, no doping was found during the OIympics. The tests they are talking refer to beginning of December last year, long time before the Olympics. Moreover, the dose was in microgramm, which could come in with some food, for example. Yet, this staff does not influence the perfomance, usually used for old people to keep the heart working properly. I think this scandal is blown up from nothing and the only purpose is to stress the skating team. Obviously, the Russian women figure skaters that are at Olympic games this year are the best in the world. No skaters from US or any other country can make 4 turns as Valieva can, even if they are doped with the elephant doses.
     
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    Cheating is cheating - if it’s against the rules then the girl should not be given the medal. On another thought - who in their right mind would give a heart medication to a 15 year old girl who does not need it? Is that medal more important than the health of a teenager who still has about 10 years of physical and mental development ahead of them?
     
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    deception is if the drug was in the blood during the performance.
     
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    In the West it’s considered unethical to give a child some medication they don’t actually need.
    She is just a kid. If she is an athlete, I seriously doubt there was a medical reason to give this drug to a child. Instead of ruffling your feathers and excusing these actions, as someone who lives their country, wouldn’t you question the reason why a child was put through this thing? Couldn’t they find someone else who could compete honorably without any unnecessary medication?
     
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    Thedimon, if we assume that the drug really was, then I would explain it this way: The girl trained hard - a big load on the heart muscle. For prevention, she took trimetazidine, which protects the heart and brain during intense exercise.

    Professional sports have long been competitions of pharmacists.

    The main thing, so that the drug is not in the blood at the time of the competition. He didn't exist. The auditions before the performance were clean.
     
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    In an advisory note in 2018, WADA noted that trimetazidine – also known as TMZ – could be detected in urine samples as a false positive for lomerizine, a migraine medication which is permitted.
     
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    No...not exactly....cheating is cheating...otoh....I'm no MD...but who gives "heart medication" to a 15 yr old?...If this "barely a teenager" athlete has a health condition that's as critical as the heart....maybe they shouldn't even be competing.
     
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    It's a case of "win at all costs".

    If it meant exposing this "child" to the stresses of competition...so be it?

    Isn't there an age protocol?....for the olympics? 15 sounds young to me....not even drivers license age?
     
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    Im not well versed on the subject of Olympic competition, so you might very well be right. This just looks strange to me, but, who knows? I can tell you only one thing for sure - if my daughter were to compete somewhere and someone told me I need to get a prescription medication for her heart I’d immediately pull her out. I’m just looking at the humanity aspect of this thing (по человечески).
     
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    Just out of curiosity what were the worst?
     
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    Do you remember the meldonium scandal? First, the drug was allowed... then it was banned, and everyone who took it was accused of doping. Meldonium improves the exchange of oxygen in the blood. Being a medicine for ischemia, however, it does not harm a healthy person in any way.

    It's the same with asthma drugs for Norwegian biathletes. If you have Asthma - the drug helps you breathe... if you don't have asthma... the drug still helps you breathe. :)

    Not all pharmacology is harmful. In the end, even the caffeine in coffee can be perceived as a drug that increases the tone of the body. And yes, caffeine is banned by WADA.
     
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    I don't know? You'll have to ask them.
     
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    The girl was so far above any other competitor, that's it's doubtful she would need or take anything so there are a lot of questions here. A small amount can enter the blood through foods, and a migraine drug can be mistaken for it.

    There are a lot of questions as to why the laboratory in Sweden took so long in sending the results from December. Can they or any Western company be trusted - look what they did to Assange not to mention many other things.
     
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    I try not to talk to Olympic athletes if I can avoid it. They're generally nice individuals but they're also thoroughly imbued with what I call the "beautiful people" viewpoint; the idea that some people are gifted and have an obligation to display that gift and the rest of us are obligated to help them do this. Up until just a few years ago when professional athletes became acceptable I found that attitude to be insufferable and would have nothing to do with the Olympics whatsoever but that idea has softened considerably since then.
     
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    The Russian girls were poised to sweep the medals in women's skating. Now, with this Kamila brouhaha, maybe someone else may get a chance for the bronze if she is not allowed to skate in the individual competition.

    I think Kamila is the best. Her artistry and athleticism is the total package. However, on any given day, her teammate, Alexandra Trusova, could come out on top. She is known as the "Queen of Quads". Check her out in this video.

     
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    Why are these drugs so often legitimate therapies for real disorders? The drug in question here is mainly for heart problems. Don't athletes have the right to treat life-threatening maladies with whatever works best for them?

    This girl is 15 and quite possibly the best the world has seen for a long time. Why are the drug czars out to ruin promising careers? Are they that jealous of people who actually DO things?
     
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    There is no doping at all for art competitions. It's like saying that a person dances better under alcohol ... well, yes, he himself thinks so, but in practice it's unlikely :)
     
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    In the urgent verdicts announced Thursday, the two CAS judging panels who heard 39 appeal cases last week in Geneva — and took testimony from Russian whistleblower Grigory Rodchenkov — did not give detailed reasons.

    "In 28 cases, the evidence collected was found to be insufficient to establish that an anti-doping rule violation (ADRV) was committed by the athletes concerned," the sports court said in a statement.
     
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    Maria Sharapova was banned from competing in professional tennis for a year for taking the same drug that the young Soviet skater is accused of using.
     
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    61falcon, no. Sharapova was disqualified for meldonium. Since January 1, 2016, meldonium has been included in the WADA list of prohibited substances in sports. (she might not have been aware that the camera was already banned when she was going to the Olympics)
    Valieva is accused of using trimetazidine.
     
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    I am no expert on drugs but I got my information from TV are those two drugs you mention from the same family of drugs they both improve athletic ability endurance???
     
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    If the winter games were permanently located in one country, let it be Austria.
     
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    About Yes. Both drugs essentially do not treat anything, but help in metabolism, improve the oxygenation of the body with dietary supplements in fact. Thus, in some diseases they can be effective.
     

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