Ukrainian President Zelensky Makes Putin look Small

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  1. US Conservative

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    They TOOK Crimea under Obama and it's defacto theirs now.

    Saying uhhhhh they are still in Crimea under Trump is so lame.

    Of COURSE they are still in Crimea, they conquered it. They didn't give it back guy.

    Please read books because some of what you say is painful to even entertain.
     
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    I’m curious. How do you think Trump would have prevented Putin from invading Ukraine? That is what you believe, right?
     
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    By being unpredictable and threatening Putin in private.

    Strongmen understand force.

    So Trump helped them understand.

    Beyond that were extensive sanctions.

    Biden is still buying oil from Russia.
     
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    Trump is unpredictable. I’ll grant you that. But what exactly would Putin be scared that Trump would do? Trump had publicly stated that the US should not send troops (which I agree with). So what left is there for Trump to do that he hasn’t already said he wouldn’t do?
     
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    He threatened to nuke Moscow, early in his first term.

    Later he did the same with China. Putin and Xi couldn't believe what he'd done.

    Trumps sanctions were also more comprehensive.
     
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    There fight will save Finland ad Sweden
     
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    Oh really?..Cimea is defacto a part of Russia now?.. How so?.. Did Trump formally recognize Crimea as belonging to Russia, and not Ukraine?

    If he did, then that would definitely be a significant difference from him and any other president of the United States to say the very least. It's also worth noting that Putin didn't use military force in Georgia until Bush's second term, and didn't use military force to take Crimea until Obama's second term. If we're now considering going a 4 year period without Putin invading a country to be some sort of accomplishment, we are setting the bar very low, and if we're taking a four year period without an invasion from Putin as an indication that his invasion days were behind him, we are being extremely naïve
     
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    Crimea was part of Russia for centuries until it was ceded to Ukraine by Nikita Khrushchev in the 1950's.
     
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    Crimea was a part of Russia, so was the rest of Ukraine, along with Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Finland. Doesn't really give Russia justification for an invasion of any of those countries. Though I must admit, what happened with Crimea was a bit different than what happened in Georgia, or what is happening today all over Ukraine. However, any claims that Russia's goal was to prevent a broader conflict from breaking out has gone out the window by now. In reality, they were just setting the stage for what is going down now
     
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    Within the Russian Empire and later the USSR, Crimea was administered as part of Russia. That is different from the other territories you mentioned.
     
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    Yes really. A strongman took it and it's his now. Many locals in south and east Ukraine welcomed this.

    Trump, Obama, even POTATUS recognizing it or not changes nothing.

    Dock a Ukrainian vessel in Sevastopol. Land a Uke aircraft there.

    Blast the Ukranian national anthem as you cruise the streets.

    Let us know how it goes.

    Also imo your avatar seems misleading to me. Like false advertising.
     
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    Zelensky has some guts, he stood up to Trump too, refused the quid pro quo
     
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    Trump would nuke Moscow to keep Russia from invading Ukraine? I said he is unpredictable. Not suicidal. There’s no way Putin would be afraid of Trump nuking Moscow.
     
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    Well of course it wouldn't go well, you would be arrested by Russian authorities, and this whole idea that the area belongs to Russia because Putin used his military to take it is something else. On top of this, we're supposed to believe that under that kind of leadership, Putin would be discouraged from taking even more land through military force. As if to say if we just play nice and recognize what Putin uses his military to claim, he'll be nice and won't use his military for that purpose anymore.
     
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    Not the point he told both Putin and Xi eff around and find out.

    Both later said they were shocked.

    Trump isn't playing kabuki theater.
     
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    It does not matter what you think.

    It's the way of things.

    There isn't a rape.whistle you can blow to solve this.
     
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    What is your point? I said Trump would never nuke Moscow (or any Russian city) to stop a Russian invasion of Ukraine and Putin knows this. So what other options are there for Trump?
     
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    That may have been the way of things a few years ago, but not anymore. Today we actually have a unified effort to combat this aggression, and it’s not just coming from NATO members, but countries that have a long standing history of remaining neutral.

    The new reality for Putin is his military aggression will no longer serve his best interests.
     
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    If you are referring to the recent hostilities there is a lot we don't know. The propaganda has been profuse and while Ukraine seems do be setting a narrative, a lot does not add up. Much of the propaganda is manifestly false.

    We see very little from Russian sources.

    Reportedly 2/3 of Russian forces haven't entered Ukraine yet.

    Reports that Belarus may join Russia.

    Reports of Ukranian Neo nazi death squads targeting other Ukrainians.
     
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    defending your own country vs uselessly occupying another? Hardly a fair comparison.
     
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    Care to share some of these "alternate" news sources?
     
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    Google each one, start with the above battalion.

    You claim to be a journalist but I see nothing to back that up.
     
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    I was curious where you got your news. The third item is a bit scarce on an initial Google search...

    "Reports of Ukranian Neo nazi death squads targeting other Ukrainians."
     
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    Zelensky continued the work of Poroshenko, supporting the shelling of peaceful objects in the Donbass.
    Zelensky support the supply of weapons to nationalist battalions
    Zelensky is now uncontrollably issuing weapons to the civilian population, releasing and arming war criminals.

    But you can continue to praise him, that's your right.
     
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    The Azov battalion is greasing bullets with pig fat to use against Chechens.
     

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