Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. Durandal

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    That's what I got out of his post saying "If NATO placed troops in Ukraine for what would happen later NATO would have been responsible, not Russia. Now it is responsibility of Russia."
     
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    I wonder what US did if Putin deployed troops and missiles on the border with US, say in Mexico? Pretty sure it would be a lot if cry from the US.
     
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    Well, Mexico wouldn't agree to that for starters.
     
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    The question is not about Mexico, but about the US. If one assumes that Mexico allowed..
     
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    If Russia had the kind and number of troops and equipment in Mexico that we and other NATO members have along Russia's border, I doubt it would be much of a concern.
     
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    You know, MiaBleu, it always takes two to tango!!
    Putin may have underestimated his standing in a highly brainwashed Western Society.
    Also remember: The first casualty is the Truth!
     
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    War will have its ups and downs, but unless Putin takes each of the steps I had mentioned in my first post on this thread, he will be a huge loser from this conflict. Putin has already made the following tactical and strategic errors:
    1- failed to properly enlist the support of other states, specifically China and Iran (as critical as even China but for entirely different reasons), to build his own pack to confront the Empire, Inc. beforehand;
    2- continues to cooperate with Israel (including re Syria), not recognizing Israel's reluctance to criticize Russia early in the conflict was a mere reflection in how much Israel had to lose and in no way a sign of any viable strategic coalition against an Empire whose major stakeholders are the main stakeholders in the Zionist project itself.
    3- continues to cooperate with US on Iran re JCPOA, not recognizing US willingness to sit and work with the Russians in Vienna even during a war was an explicit reflection in how much US has to lose if the fraud aka JCPOA isn't revived
    4- going for a ground invasion and occupation of Ukraine when there were 101 ways for Russia to effectively bring regime change in the Ukraine without any ground forces outside the breakaway regions.
     
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    Agree, but 2 & 3 are minor points outside your ambit. They won't register as important in the West.
     
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    Be it as you say, but IF one takes the "Foreplay" into consideration, the responsibility card should be handed to the "other" players as well.
     
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    Ok. It was just a question about your opinion.
     
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    Putin lost
    Ukrainians lost..
    Paruskes lost...
    In a war everybody lose.
    This is Fxxxing 2022 !! still can't believe what's going on :hiding:
     
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    Haha... Empire would come crying to Germany for help!!
     
  13. Iranian Monitor

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    2 & 3 are huge. Iran is the key to checkmating the coalition because, among other things, its geographic location over seeing the petrodollar trade routes. Make Iran untouchable and the whole house of cards underlying the global Ponzi scheme economy comes down.
     
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    Russians are very stupid.....invading a country where there convoys run out of diesel! Makes for good prisoners.
     
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    Yes. Everybody but not USA.
    USA has profits only:
    Nordstream-2 has been closed. (wellcome to europe, american gas)
    Arms shipments has been encreased (new orders for american weapon and new military contracts)
    Space cooperation ESA and Roscosmos are going to brake
    .(spacelaunch market is clear for spaceX now)
    etc.,etc.,etc....
    Coincidence?
     
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    War involves 'zero-sum' calculations. The Russians don't seem to grasp, or are seriously, misunderstanding the implications of the opportunity they had once they practically invited all of of its costs because of the invasion of Ukraine.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/nationa...astern-allies-havent-condemned-russias-war-in
    Why America's Middle Eastern allies haven't condemned Russia's war in Ukraine
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    Are you watching the videos coming out of the same war the rest of us are? I've seen multiple civilian facilities (apartments, etc.) hit on purpose, I've seen MULTIPLE instances of a tank or APC swerving to intentionally run over civilian cars, and now it seems the soviets (sic) are guilty of war crimes for using prohibited munitions (cluster bombs and vacuum bombs) aimed, intentionally, at civilian targets.

    I'll concede it could be worse as a lot of targets have been legitimate military ones, but for you to claim there's been none, or that the soviets are not targeting civilians at all is nothing more than willful blindness on your part. Sadly, as Putin gets more desperate (and perhaps a bit embarrassed by having his ass handed to him by a military that, on paper anyway, he should be able to quash within no more than a few days), we will likely see more and more civilian areas targeted, and some will be outright leveled to the ground.

    As for Putin himself, he's a dangerous, psychopathic serial killer who thinks nothing of having someone offed just for the "crime" of telling him an inconvenient truth he doesn't want to hear. For you to be on team Putin says a lot about the content of your character, and none of it good, as it's really no different than being team Hitler before and during WWII.

    So please, take your bullshit racist propaganda elsewhere, because nobody here is buying it. Perhaps you can create a circle-jerk with a few other Putin supporters if you can find them and sit around talking about how great he is. Because in the real world, even SWITZERLAND (!!!), a country who chose to remain neutral during WWII and everything that followed, is standing in opposition to your dictator.
     
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    It is clear why Switzerland was neutral in WW2: it would have been destroyed otherwise by Hitler immediately. Now there is no immediate threat to Switzerland. By the way, Switzerland still will not allow to use its territory for NATO missiles, will not send neither the troops to Ukraine, nor the lethal weapons. In this sense it is still neutral as before.
     
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    What's that, a tiny bit of truth from team Putin?? Yes, we all know Russia doesn't want Ukranian freedom, but in consideration of the fact that Ukraine is, and for many years has been a free and independent state (country), Russia has no rightful say in the matter. That is, in fact, the crux of the matter. Putin wants something that is not his, nor does he have any legal claim to it. So, acting like a petulant child throwing a tantrum because their parents won't let them have an extra icecream cone, he decides to take it by using illegal military force, despite the fact that Ukraine wasn't threatening Russia, or doing anything to them at all. They were merely trying to co-exist, and minding their own business.

    How would you like it if someone broke into your house, and while pointing a gun at you, forced you to sign your house over to them?
     
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    Switzerland has been neutral for over 200 years. An yet it suddenly decides to sanction Russia. I realize you can't admit it, but this is just more evidence of how disgraceful your nation is.
     
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    I think you have a lack of education in Australia. Please, educate yourself here: https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home/foreign-policy/international-law/neutrality.html
    According to the Swiss laws it is in fact still neutral.
     
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    Just for your undestanding:
    The ways and roads from Chernihiv are now being mined to prevent the evacuation of the population.
    Nationalist battalions are used as defensive detachments. Do you know what it is?
    These are submachine gunners who do not allow their troops to retreat: shot for escaping.
    This is not fake, this is what is happening here.
    But you can continue to listen to your European politicians and support the Ukrainian regime.
     
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    Neutral countries can take action. Neutral nations like Finland, Sweden and now Switzerland have all taken action against the Russian tyranny.

    Putin is doing a hell of a job uniting the rest of the world against himself.

    No, Rumble is an alt-right media platform.
     
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