Whoopie Goldberg doesn't seem to know what Race is. What is it?

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  1. Pixie

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    After announcing that the Holocaust was not about race but about two white sides having a war (sic), I decided that she is either REALLY lacking in knowledge about history, or can only think that racism is always about black and white....which is in fact a very narrow, misinformed notion. In fact I would go so far as to say "unintelligent or uneducated". Or simply socially obsessed.
    So if racism isn't always about skin colour, how is race defined?

    WIKI says:
    A race is a categorization of humans based on shared physical or social qualities into groups generally viewed as distinct within a given society.[1]

    Although commonalities in physical traits such as facial features, skin color, and hair texture comprise part of the race concept, this linkage is a social distinction rather than an inherently biological one.[1] Other dimensions of racial groupings include shared history, traditions, and language. For instance, African-American English is a language spoken by many African Americans, especially in areas of the United States where racial segregation exists. Furthermore, people often self-identify as members of a race for political reasons.[1]

    When people define and talk about a particular conception of race, they create a social reality through which social categorization is achieved.[32] In this sense, races are said to be social constructs.[33] These constructs develop within various legal, economic, and sociopolitical contexts, and may be the effect, rather than the cause, of major social situations.[clarify][34] While race is understood to be a social construct by many, most scholars agree that race has real material effects in the lives of people through institutionalized practices of preference and discrimination.

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    IOW today races are defined as socially recognised groups within a larger community. That means our concept of what a race is can change if the general society accepts it. For example, we could have a "race" of redhaired people, or short people, or Spanish speaking people, if we so chose to see them as such.

    Since today the concept of race as a social description is not tied specifically to skin colour or other obvious cultural identifiers, does this open more dangerously the possibility that racial discrimination can fall around the ears of any minority the community so chooses to discriminate against (laws against discrimination notwithstanding) such as redhaired or short people etc?
    Or is race still Whoopie's discredited concept of skin colour alone?
     
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    I do not think she was being antisemitic, but she did learn that not being something can still get you attacked if you get something wrong, these are tough conversations to have for that very reason, and why most avoid them in public
     
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    And, it's a double-edged sword because everybody is scared of offending somebody that we can't sit down and openly talk about these matters. It's sad. I don't know who said that humans are the highest life form but he must have been high as a kite when he said it.
     
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    She is simply ignorant:
    ig·no·rant
    (ĭg′nər-ənt)
    adj.
    1. Lacking education or knowledge.
    2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
    3. Unaware or uninformed: was ignorant of the drug's harmful effects.
    Word root: ignore.
    As in ignoring years and years of education and factual information.
     
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    Do you have a link to what Whoopi said?
     
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    Well she's an actor, so I wouldn't expect her to know her ass from a whole in the ground. And clearly she doesnt. But thats OK, she doesnt need to. Plumbers dont need to be able to recite Shakespeare and actors dont need to be able to analyze sociology.

    The problem is all the people who look to anyone famous on TV for social guidance. Actors have writers to make them seem smart. Without writers, they're just regular dumbasses like the rest of us, often worse once the money and fame and elitism go to their head.
     
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    Do you have a link to what Whoopi said?
     
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    Goldberg apologized for these comments.

    ...which basically means she's saying you're right :)
     
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    Race is a totally made up and arbitrary category. It can be whatever one defines it as. For me its become about skin colour. That is the most accepted definition since it was written into law in america that black was a race. Therefore so is white. Its just silly to claim irish and english are separate races as many do.

    Basically race is a concept invented by white europeans in order to enslave non whites. Period.
     
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    Whoopi is smart, real smart.

    The problem is that she says what people know, but don't say in public. I give her high marks for smarts and balls, really low marks for common sense.
     
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    Agreed. Jewish folk are white. Its not really controversial. The ones who arent white are not jewish, they are actual jews.
     
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    Racism can be because of a bias about certain skin colors or bias about certain ethnicities.

    SIAP. Whoopie didn't understand racism could also be about ethnicities.

    I think, the jury is still out on whether Whoopie's misunderstanding about racism was unintentional or intentional.
     
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    And that aversion and that double-edged sword is being exploited through wokism and the culture wars. The Dems have to stop moral grandstanding, virtue signaling and trying always to be politically correct. Some things you just have to go to your moral core on and stand your ground.
     
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    Learn how to speak English.

    Trashy buzzwords are just so much dog whistling.
     
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    Not that I'm a Goldberg fan, but I think she was just being philosophical. WW2 was about mans inhumanity to man. She erred in not distinguishing Jews from the mix. Then again, three times as many Russians as Jews were killed by Germany. Do Russians get a museum and hit squads scouring the earth for ancient former Nazi's to avenge eighteen million dead Russians? Does God not love Russians too? It is a big earth with many nations and people. It is not all about Jews. Though I think they are rather special in that the peoples of the earth are blessed by ancient Jewish Patriarchs and the Jewish Savior Jesus Christ.
     
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    Learn how to respect other's opinions unless you are simply an attention seeker.
     
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    Says the guy using trashy buzzwords.

    The reason you don't use English is you want to hide your real agenda behind buzzwords that lack a definitive meaning..

    Btw, respect is earned.
     
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    Ahh, posts seeking attention then, got it. Be my guest since my position remains unchallenged.
     
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    Your position remains unstated.
     
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    On government forms and other surveys you find this question: Hispanics may be of any race. Are you of Hispanic origin.
    Then, even if you say yes, this question follows:
    What race are you?
    The options are (usually) African-American or black, Asian or Pacific Islander, Caucasian or white, Hispanic or Latino, Other.
    Jewish is never on the list.
    If someone asks about religion you may see: Buddhist, Catholic, Hindu, Jewish, Mormon, Muslim, Protestant, Other.
    So Jewish is not a race. Jews are white except for converts. The NAZIs hated black people but there weren't many around to kill. The Holocaust was white on white crime.
     

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