14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting

Nothing quite like state-sanctioned violence to show that violence is wrong.*

* LiveUninhibited™

 

Huh?

 

Knowing that they can easily get hold of this kind of deadly firepower probably contributes a lot to that.

 

Guns cannot cause anything.

Quantify this.
Cite your sources.

 

you're not doing anything but trying to trick people to join you in your misery.

Yeah I know you want to pretend the reason why they're shooting in America is because there's not some words on some piece of paper somewhere in the state department or the federal government.

Your entire position is debunked with this one sentence.

Murder is already illegal.

Making things illegal doesn't stop them. You have nothing left to say you have no argument your entire position here and your entire purpose here whining about this is to try and trick Americans into being as miserable As You Are.

 

No, availability doesn't answer why it even occurs to people to do such a thing.

 

Well, another part of the equation is that people are naturally violent creatures and a good portion have mental issues that are often genetic in nature, and not caused by any social issues.

 

And I'm being told this by someone who believes Trump won the election...

So let's apply your same logic as with guns and make murder legal.

 

I never said I had the picture, I said I saw it as did millions of other people. A picture of the gun was used at Zman’s trial.

 

Every time we have one of these mass shootings at a school, people blame the guns. Why is it that the left isn't talking about what causes the mental breakdown that facilitates these kinds of atrocities? Because it's their policies that have caused it, that's why. This is a direct result of this kid being bullied in school, period. The left's zero tolerance policy hasn't reduced bullying like they wanted you to believe, it has perpetuated it because it protects the bully just as much as the victim. If a fight happens because a person is being bullied in school, both parties are punished instead of just the bully. When I was a kid, a good punch in the face would stop most bullying and I don't recall hearing much about school shootings back then. We now have a culture that allows bullies to bully because they know the victim won't fight back until the victim goes batshit crazy and shoots up the whole school.

I'm not in any way defending the actions of this kid but it seems to be a classic case to me where he was pushed beyond his breaking point and just didn't care anymore. Combine that with poor parental guidance and it's a ticking time bomb. My son was bullied in high school and was even nicknamed "school shooter". There were countless days he would come home crying because he hated being there, and after numerous meetings with school officials it was patently obvious there was nothing they were going to do about it. My job as a parent was to council my son and get him through it, which I did and he is now in the Navy doing just fine. I wonder if I hadn't been there to help him get through those years if he wouldn't have done something crazy too. I think it's also why there is so much suicide in our youth, they either kill themselves or take out others with them.

It's probably to dumbest thing I've ever heard to want to ban the scary black guns. This kid could have done just as much damage with a six shooter in this scenario. Blaming the gun is like blaming the cheeseburger on "My 600 lb LIfe". There are mental issues with morbidly obese people and everyone knows if you ban cheeseburgers they will just eat more pizza, but nobody seems to want to talk about what got them there in the first place. Until we address bullying in schools properly, there will forever be school shootings. Go ahead and ban the guns and then watch the carnage of a mentally ill teenager with a knife or a home made bomb, and that's assuming a person so deranged would even follow the gun ban law in the first place.

 

Now you have to pretend I believe something like that.

You're getting desperate

Idiotic.

 

Calling on unreasonable action such as removing the 2nd amendment, and ofcourse the typical attacks on the NRA and 2A supporters.

Yes, its standing on their graves.

 

You're right about the fact that being 18 doesn't make someone undesirable. But the fact that he was 18 and had a gun with the intent to kill would make him dangerous with the intention to kill. This certain person had intention to kill, and we may never know the reason for this. every 18 year old boys and girls are different and that's all I'm going to say. For the time being.

 

Obama is still stoking anti cop hatred and racism. Floyd could have been his son.



Barack Obama
@BarackObama

As we grieve the children of Uvalde today, we should take time to recognize that two years have passed since the murder of George Floyd under the knee of a police officer. His killing stays with us all to this day, especially those who loved him.

 

Chauvin had a trial and was found guilty of murder.

You can't always invent a parallel reality.

 

I beg to differ. Something about society today makes killing a bunch of babies attractive to these people.

 

You're not backing that up with anything. I expect, though, that each mass shooting that occurs helps inspire other such sickos to do the same.

 

Why did Obama mention Floyd? Is it because he didn’t like it that the Texas victims were whites and Mexicans and he needed to make sure to squeeze a black guy in there? Obama is a POS just like O’Rourke.

 

You may have a point, it does/would explain how ByDummy was elected!

 

It would probably explain why people like you make posts like this in a thread like this.

 

Thanks for the links, and yes, I know about the BORTAC agent that took him down. I'm pretty sure I was the first one to post that information, much earlier in this thread. The reality is that, if I or most people familiar with guns had a choice, we'd choose to take a modern sporting rifle to a gunfight before we'd take a handgun, in almost every situation ... BUT there are plenty of people with modern sporting rifles that end up losing gunfights to pistol-armed adversaries. It's certainly common enough that it's a lot more realistic than a "fantasy" for someone carrying a handgun to stop someone who has a modern sporting rifle.

 

I’ve had enough of the left’s fake outrage. For years we’ve been pointing how how deadly democrat cities are and they ignore it. We point out the near weekly mass murders on their streets and they ignore it. We point to the stories of six month old boys and girls being killed by stray bullets and they say nothing. We point to the insane number of murders that are committed by six percent of the population and they ignore it. If liberals stick their heads up to say anything, and they’ve literally said this, the say move to a different city, problem solved. Oh, and you’re a racist.

And now the left is shedding fake crocodile tears over the deaths of children after they hypocritically just spent a month protesting at the homes of SCOTUS judges trying to keep their right to prevent kids from ever being alive.

Libs, don’t try to argue that us cons want dead kids, we don’t, that’s just your talking point because you have nothing else. But you literally do want to prevent kids from ever living. Now spin and lie your way out of all that.

 

It definitely can be achieved, the police officers with handguns certainly have a better chance than the children inside the school, but even for a trained officer the circumstances have to be right for them to win that fight. If they can get close enough, or if they can get the jump on the gunman it can be achieved, otherwise they're going to have to depend on the gunman being very inept with their weapon. I would also imagine that nerves play a role in the gunfight as well, the person who is suicidal probably has the upper hand in that situation.

I call it a fantasy not because it's unachievable, but because people have this expectation that they would win that gun fight, when in reality they would probably be gunned down. Multiple trained officers were outgunned by this guy, and chances are your average Jane and Joe wouldn't fair any better.

 

A couple of summers ago a few dozen mostly peaceful protesters murdered several dozen people. As it was happening the left wasn’t just silent, they continued to allow it to happen. The left wing rioters even tried to barricade cops inside a police station and set it on fire with the cops inside and no one on the left said anything.

As I’ve said many times before, to the left the victim is only important if certain qualifiers are met, and even more important are the qualifiers of the murderers. In the Texas case the left can’t call a Mexican tranny an ultra MAGA white supremacist, so they’re going after the guns even though they refused, yes, refused to go after the guns in liberal cities where thousands are murdered every year.

what we are seeing is liberals using dead school kids as props for their agenda and it wouldn’t surprise me that they hoped for more victims and/or that it happens again real soon. They are literally the only people fighting, no, demanding the right to kill living beings. Are we supposed to believe they care about school kids, Texas school kids? Not a chance do I believe that.

 

You're almost certainly wrong about this. The FBI investigator assigned to review Dylan Roof's purchase contacted the wrong police department, was told that they had no information on the case she was asking about, and in typical government-employee fashion, left the investigation hanging there, moved onto other things, and never did anything else about it. She didn't bother to double-check her paperwork and try to figure out why the department she contacted had no record of the case, she didn't do any further digging at all. And if she'd had 10 business days instead of 3? I don't see any indication she would have done anything more on the case. She had, from her perspective, exhausted every avenue. Aside from all that, he purchased the gun in April and didn't shoot up the church until June, if I've got the timeline correct.

This right here is how thousands of law-abiding citizens would get their rights stripped away. You'd see campaigns from Moms Demand Action and the like who would be red-flagging every gun owner they could dox. California and New York would pay for "see a gun, call this number" billboards all over the place. That's going to be a hard 'no' from me, dawg.