14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting

The SC is an opinion. And those opinions rest on individual ideologies. They are not the word of god for heavens saké.
2A was written just after USA independence when there was a very unstable time of fear that someone either internally or externally would overthrow the New govt. All over Europe, then still culturally close to the US, such instability was happening.
Militias were the usual way people gathered for a common cause. Their guns were simple, fired once before reloading and were used to fight off à common enemies, not to fight drugs was or kill family because you dont like them or murder schoolrooms of children because you are unstable.
The whole context of 2A is inapplicable today. It has become à licence to kill . Of course they are tied to militia because as a GROUP of people, gun use is restricted to à self regulating group using them for a common purpose, in common défense. To decouple that principale is to ignore WHY 2A was passed into law. The SC effectively changed the whole law to ignore its purpose and so the law was translated into something else, and the madness began.
Laws are made IN CONTEXT and to achieve à purpose. Neither apply to that amendment anymore. It should be ancient history.

 

I strongly object to your comments. That sounds like singling people out.
As if we are going to single individuals out who appear weird because we fear them.

Bullying however has been a major motivating factor contributing towards many of these incidents though.

 

Having à crappy home life, being bullied and à social recluse, having gender issues are EXACTLY the kind of children who should be picked up by schools and referred for counselling.
Why would Germans want to defend themselves against other Germans who also don't have guns? Are you not referring yo the national laws concerning post war German police to restrict à national army?
I don't think your 75 year old comparison in à totally different context works.
Imagine the kind of chaos you suffer if Europe had virtually no gun control and the open borders it does have. The idea is horrific.

 

I agree that bit having loving, caring, nurturing parents is something all children need.

I feel it doesn't HAVE to be a father and mother, necessarily. Two mothers, two father's, I think both are cool.

Heck, I live WITH my sister, her husband and three daughters. Originally it was mostly for financial support for them. But now I couldn't imagine life without them. Those girls basically have THREE parents, a mother, a father, and an uncle (me).

But there is no way to, at least in the USA, FORCE that situation to happen.

You can encourage it, and I highly recommend it, but you have to fight the encouragement from the factors that flight to cause it.

Those things are politicians, big businesses, rich people, people that are jealous of what you have. People that just want the world to burn. Note I am NOT picking a side here. I know that there are people on both left AND right that fall into these groups.

But these groups are not stupid. And they have entrenched themselves so well that, IMO, there is no way to stop them without physical violence.

So, what can we do? Live in fear waiting for death to happen? Escalate and take the fight to them, risking not just our lives, but the lives of everyone we love? Just give up?

All of these options absolutely suck. It makes me feel helpless and powerless. I don't want to have to buy a gun and risk killing people just to stay alive. I have no way to tell if they are good or evil without knowing them.

And as we have seen increasing more, perfectly normal ish people can snap and kill 21 people including themselves, and there is no way to protect them without becoming like them. No one seems willing to put others ahead of themselves.

It's not something I want, for me or my family.

I get that in part, I can be like that too. I am sorry about that. I don't know what else to do.

 

How else does one pick up on unusual behaviour and déterminé if s/he needs psychiatric help??
The answer could well be no.
Or it could provide someone with à much better life and occasionally, save lives of others.
And who else would spot difficultés if not teachers? I don't know what kind of training yourself get but back in 71 in the UK, teacher training included psychology appropriate for an âgé group (and général development). If we saw odd behaviour we discussed it with orher teachers and the school authorities dealt with it. Chats with parents, the child, as necessary.
It is just part of the job.

 

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I fear weird people. Dont you?

 

Fortunate. At least the buildings survived.

 

*Sigh*

All right, maybe I am getting a bit emotional. And I apologize if I am getting too personally attacky.

I am a law abiding citizen. I was raised to follow laws. I take them pretty seriously.

And I can admit that if it's CULTURE vs. LAWS, culture is where we would NEED to improve to really fix what is causing the problems.

But, I don't think it will ever happen. I am guessing you know why.

So, how else can liberal Democrats compromise? In your opinion?

Because I feel if SOMEONE doesn't compromise, the fear, anger, and despair they and many others feel will grow until it explodes, and THAT is what causes the mass killings. IMO, I don't believe most of these killers are crazy.

I understand that you believe it is not likely to happen, but I believe it will. And absent a plan that actually could have a chance at being passed (let alone it actually working), I have to consider the feelings it causes.

Too much feeling can cause problems and misunderstandings , I can admit to it, but so can too little.

At any rate, have a good night. I mean that.

 

The Left is right about everything again:

 

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about the purpose of the Second Amendment. But, if you feel that strongly there is a legitimate way change the Constitution. Go for it.

 

I agree completely sand this is an excellent point. It just breaks my heart when people mistreat their children one thing I always wanted was to be a father alas I cannot. Seeing people not cherish that gift hurts.

I whole heatedly agree I belong to the latter category myself.

That's awesome I'm glad you get to care for your nieces and get to be that close with them.

My partner's youngest brother stayed with us under a foster situation for 3 years, was emaciated and lived with us another two years. We helped him set up a college education and though he isn't my son but a brother in law I miss him quite a bit. He calls and visits has a potential partner of his own.

No there is not sadly we can't make people love their children

I'm with you on this. Both parties are terrible politicians only ever politic. I am jealous of what you have with your sibling and their family. But I could never take it away from somebody.

We fall into these groups often times because we are reviewed encouraged to be furious with one another. I said some nasty things to you and you said some to me. I didn't mean it I think you and I have a lot of common ground. I figure it's the emotion.

I disagree. I think the way to stop it is what you just did. We need to be the change we want in society.

I say find out humanity learn to see it in others even if you have different politics after all we all have to live here and if personally rather not see anybody hurt or killed. I imagine you likely feel the same way.

Well I agree those options suck but those changes require more than just you or your family or even your town. Focus on what you can do. Being a loving uncle to your nieces. Keep their future boyfriends on their toes. The world is bleak at the 5000' view one major move you can make you might not see the results but they happen is try not to be swallowed up in this political fist fight we've all seemed to get tangled up in

Water under the bridge. I'm sorry too and thank you I'll try not to be that nasty to others in the future. I get caught up in this crap too. I know better but I still fall for it of course I know I'm being manipulated, "they're gonna take yer guns" and what not

I'm glad we were able to have this discussion in sorry but it's getting late so I might not respond again tonight.

 

You mean 2022 America? Because that's what you're describing under the Biden Administration.

 

Why should liberal Democrats who want LESS possibilité of mass deaths, compromise with those who dont seem to care that small children ONCE AGAIN are murdered? Who refuse to change anything each time it happens and who are happy to send their children to school where they rehearse what to do when someone gets into a classroom and starts shooting them.
WHAT??
This is what happened in à world war!
Has the country so lost it's compass that this is "normal"??

 

Stop the snowball fight. This is a NATIONAL issue involving how to prevent bloody bodies of children screaming in terror and agony as they bleed out on the floor, and the screaming of terrified others watching .
Not for the first time.
If you can't come together for the saké of your children, you are lost as a country.

 

No I don't. That is why 2A was written when it was written. You dont really think those who designed it sat down together and thought
"We should allow everyone to own guns of whatever the future creates so that everyone can shoot up everyone else at will", do you?
What kind if vision for a New country is that?
Changes to the Constitution to make casual gun ownership illegal must come with huge input into police numbers and training. ISTM they need it.

 

Maybe you would like to try to convince the American Left of that, that having gender issues is a reason to question that person's mental health.

 

... and pro-gunners come out with all manner of excuses, ie 'guns provide security'
Remember, in 2022 there will be about 110,000 Americans shot by readily available guns, to anybody who wants one.

The death rate for firearms in the USA is about 40-45 times higher than in any other OECD nation.
Advances in trauma treatment with gun injuries has advanced tremendously - you have to look at shootings as opposed to deaths.
And that figure is 110,000 per year, about.

How is it possible for a school boy to buy an AR15, AND BODY ARMOR, and no questions asked? Do you shoot deer with an AR15?
Do you need body armor for jack rabbits? Or maybe, you are just going to have your own little war against other children, or diners,
or church folk, or people strolling the strip in downtown Vegas where nearly 900 were injured? Is there a war going on in America?

 

It seems the wearing of dressés may be misinformation for which I apologise.
the rest about his home and personality remains true. Unless you think perfectly normal people plan for months to save money so he can kill his grandmother and numerous small children.

 

Yep, that's exactly what they meant. Not to kill anyone they wanted, but to protect themselves and their families.

I don't understand your comment about police numbers and training. The Constitution can legitimately be changed in only one way, the amendment process.

 

The left supports mental health support. Even if it is merely à health check.
I have not seen à left inspired attitude that indicates à négative réponse to those with gender issues. Looking for care to deal with such issues is not such an attitude.

 

I see that the Left in France is very different from the Left in the US.

 

Because people are complicated, emotional creatures, and the world is not black and white?

I can admit, I was emotional, and got caught up in the emotions of the thread without consideration of the feelings of others.

Doesn't mean I agree with everything they say, but what they did say calmed me down enough to really read their reply.

Found some common ground, some good insight into their points of view.

Not all people that own guns are bad. I had to remember that. And yeah, it helps when they SHOW that, but I had to also be receptive to it.

Just a suggestion, but maybe it is time to take a step back, take a deep breath, and try to understand the other poster?

I apologize if my previous comments angered you or caused you to think I was personally attacking you. I was emotional, but that's no excuse to go too far, and I am sorry.

 

Yes, there is a war going on, a culture war.

 

Where do you get 110,000 from?

 

To protect them against à political insurgency or attack when law forces and protection was almost non existant.
Clearly not the case today.
I am suggesting à constitutional change supported by better protection by those properly traîned to do the job and not just to stop and search minority populations.