Beto O'Rourke interrupts Texas Gov. Abbott's press conference: "You're offering us nothing"

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  1. Bluesguy

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    These are weapons of war

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  2. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    There are thousands of prospective adoptive parents in this country begging to adopt children. Why don't birth mothers do that instead of killing their babies?
     
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    That is not a rational representation of what O'Rourke has documented on this topic.
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    2 myself, of course they are grown now.
     
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    Do you think a governor can stop ALL school shootings?

    Here is what they did

    Gov. Greg Abbott signs several school safety bills in wake of shooting at Santa Fe High
    The bills would, among other things, strengthen mental health initiatives available to children, abolish the cap on how many school marshals can carry guns on public school campuses and allot money to school districts that can go toward “hardening” their campuses.

    Capping off a yearslong effort to prevent another school shooting like the Santa Fe High tragedy, Gov. Greg Abbott signed a series of bills into law Thursday that would, among other things, strengthen mental health initiatives available to children and allot money to school districts that can go toward “hardening” their campuses.

    A sweeping school safety measure, Senate Bill 11, instructs school districts to implement multihazard emergency operation plans, requires certain training for school resource officers, ensures school district employees — including substitute teachers — are trained to respond to emergencies, and establishes threat assessment teams to help identify potentially dangerous students and determine the best ways to intervene before they become violent.
    https://www.texastribune.org/2019/06/06/texas-santa-fe-mass-shooting-mental-health-school-safety/

    And what happened here, a teacher left a door wide open and the school marshall wasn't anywhere to be found and then the total disaster of a response by the police.

    What has Beto offered other that his specious claims he would ban all guns.
     
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    What's his plan then? All I have heard is that he will be coming after everyone's guns which means he will get the legal ones and the illegal ones will be on the street.
     
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    Spoken like a true communist. I look to the private sector and free market economy to provide my car, grow my food, make my appliances, provide my electricity.

    Do you suppose there is violent crime in North Korea?
     
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    Rather than making ridiculous assumptions, maybe you should read his web site.
     
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    Will the real Beto O'Rourke please stand up, your mother wants you.

     
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    Are you being serious here?

    Or, is that a joke?
     
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    Realistically, I don't think there is anything that CAN be done, there are not enough people that are willing to make the sacrifices needed.

    I would like a more thorough background check that is enforced on EVERY sale of a gun no matter what. One that checks for social media, history, etc.

    Yes, I would like some limitations on the types of guns that could be sold. Semi and full auto guns kill super quick and easy, even among other guns.

    I would like people that own guns to go back through background checks every year.

    Socially, I would like us to take a more active stand against bullying and provide more support to people whom are feeling bullied. We also need to address the greed, selfishness, and competitiveness that causes such a divide among people, as those are factors that drive people to these extremes.

    But, alas, I highly doubt anything will be done.

    Those other countries were smart to act, before the number of guns grew to be so prolific.

    In the USA, we are too late.
     
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    A background check would not have stopped this shooting he passed a background check there was nothing in his background. And where are you going to get the resources to do these checks and be able to do so in a timely manner as the courts have said they must be else you are restricting the persons right to keep and bear an arm. And do you know how quickly this guy could have killed all those kids with a pump action shotgun. What about handguns? A couple of 9mm or 45's he could have killed just as many.

    This kid came from a bad family background, no father figure in his life a drug addicted mother, grandparents who could not control him and yes a victim of mental health issues due to the previous it seems to circumstances while he was in school. But he was no longer in school. Is it the violence that permeates our entertainment 24/7? Can anything be done about that? I don't know as long as you have people out there making it and people willing to buy it. Yes we need to beef up mental health services but can we every stop all such attacks by doing so, I doubt it.

    More security at the schools and hardening them, but that was passed in 2019 in Texas and what happened a teacher leaves a door wide open and the security marshal who was supposed to be there was not. If the officials themselves don't do their jobs.........................
     
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    Good point about the family and mental health issues, but it's not something we can FORCE people to fix, not in the USA where we are free to be what we want regardless of how it indirectly affects other people.

    So, yeah, I think we are screwed as a country. I would recommend immigration to another country if you can. If not, hunker down and make yourself inconspicuous. Things will get MUCH worse from here.
     
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    I've heard him talk about taking guns, and prohibiting ownership. That's prohibition, he's a twonk.
     
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    A twonk is anyone who doesn't give a crap that children are being gunned down and is **** sure nothing should be done about it.
     
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    He doesn't give a **** about anything but his career. Children die in a lot of ways, but prohibition won't solve that. The gunman was...prohibited from doing what he did and that stopped nothing.
     
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    We secure LOTS of places against such attacks and we can do so with schools. This one was supposed to be secure and with an armed guard. A teacher left an exterior door wide open while she got her phone and the guard wasn't there. And it is possible the ONLY reason he entered the school was because he saw the door was open, he first was shooting at a funeral home across the street. This teacher is going to have to live with her actions the rest of her life.
     
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    So, how would you address the loss of business revenue and such that will result from that?

    IMO, you harden up public spaces and allow an influx of armed strangers, and employees and customers will start avoiding those places for fear of their lives. This includes schools.

    Thus, I don't expect business owners or government to allow that to happen.

    Any other ideas?
     
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    I don't accept your characterization of what happened in this event or what policy directions are available.
     
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    Why would the school lose "business"? What "armed strangers" in a school, that is who they are trying to keep out.
     
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    If you introduce guns into my kid's school, I'm going to go to some other school.

    And you can bet I'll vote against you.
     
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    See the other reply.

    As a citizen, I don't have enough information about the background of my teachers or other school officials to trust the safety of my children to them. I would pull my children out of the school.

    If I were a teacher there, I would refuse to carry a gun, and I would be afraid enough of the increase in guns on campus to find employment elsewhere.

    And to be honest, I believe a MAJORITY of people think like this, like me.

    No school, or other public business, is going to allow a change that cuts 51 percent plus of their customers or employees.
     
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    Awesome.
     
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    Then go somewhere else, there ARE armed marshal's in schools throughout this country and even better more and more weapons trained officials. If a gunman entered your child's school are you saying you would rather have them completely venerable with no one there who could attempt to put the shooter down than to have someone trained to do so?
     
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    Is there NO difference between a trained marshall and a teacher or school administrator?

    Those differences are why some would be okay with one and not the other. They are both NOT held to the same standards.
     
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