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No, Biden gave away the Democrats real concern tonight -- votes. They never let a tragedy (crisis) go to waste that could help them keep power. The Democrats had the opportunity to enact more stringent gun control around the same time they passed the ACA. Nothing.

Criminals will always find a way to get guns -- even in Australia.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04...oncerns-bikie-theft-fears-great-south/8462724

"Detectives have told the ABC they believe bikies are getting ice addicts to steal guns from farms in the Great Southern in exchange for drugs.

They say the bikies then use the weapons as tools in the drug trade to enforce payment."

Where there's a will, there's a way. Criminals will find a way to kill while Biden and his ilk will find a way to make law abiding citizens defenseless.

 

If I might interject, I think that what's dishonest is equating the increase of hate and violence by people with the constancy of firearm liberty. Our firearm liberty is well regulated. It is the people who do not regulate themselves. It goes to the breakdown of family and discarding of old fashioned values like chastity and marriage. The increase in out of wedlock births, single Mothers, and Marriageless, Husbandless, Fatherless homes which are turning out these predators, would not be sustainable were it not for welfare. So promiscuity and welfare have begotten the bulk of crime and violence tormenting this nation. Essentially it is the absence of Fatherhood. Blaming guns is not a Fathers counsel. It is a self serving excuse to avoid addressing the issue. Single Mothers cannot do it alone. And money is not a replacement for Husbands and Fathers.

 

The government can't say this so, your point is rather moot.

 

They can and do

Felony
Mental disorder
Red flag laws

 

Look closely at his photo. Outside of his lunatic eyes common to mass shooters and leftists, look at the background.

That's a booking photo.

 

Oh fer.... Look, just bloody getting Jee HAY sus is NOT going to keep suicidals from shooting down whole elementary schools and I don't know WHERE you get the idea that single mothers are just raising their kids to slaughter children. Do you think that all children raised without seeing an alcoholic father beat mom up every night become bent on school massacre or what?

 

So why do you want more than the above to be done?

 

Most of the recent mass public shooters have expressed conservative ideals — that said, you do know that just because someone has a booking photo doesn’t mean they have been deemed ineligible to purchase a firearm, correct?

 

Then we don't have any rights. Rights are regulated all the time, it's what governments DO.

 

Of course, we have rights but that's not to say rights are absolute. There will always be plenty of instances whereas in the case of gun rights, people have been stripped of their rights because they didn't obey the law.

 

My point is “moot” remember?

I accept your concession.

As to the why, they don’t go far enough as seen by the spikes in mass shootings. Several of them could have been prevented by moving all sales to age 21 and up. Threats online are another thing that should immediately put one on a ban list until it can be investigated.

 

I am for raising the age to buy to 21...Surprised?

 

Can you give us an example of what you mean here?

 

The Second Amendment: What Are the Limits on the …
Nov 24, 2020 · Many states prohibit or restrict gun possession by other groups of people, such as stalkers and people subject to other kinds of restraining orders, minors, juvenile offenders, and

 

There is more common ground on these issues than people realize — if both sides would just say “what do we agree on” and work from there much could be easily accomplished, not only on issues surrounding responsible gun ownership.

But as long as the political parties can scream “they want to take your guns” or “Nazi!” or “groomer” then nothing will ever happen.

 

There ya go putting down chastity, marriage, and fathers. The bulk of our nations crimes and violence comes from promiscuous people, where the single mother has the child out of wedlock and it is raised in a marriageless, husbandless, fatherless home, made possible by the infusion of welfare money. Yes there are exceptions. But the rule is plain. And the results are stark. Blaming guns is a cop out. But it is part and parcel to the decline of society via the discardment of values. Does language cause people to lie. What we are witnessing isn't America. It's the decline of America. Blaming guns diminishes freedom and allows the decline to continue. Changing behavior arrests the decline, improves the people, and preserves freedom. The ultimate tyranny of the left wing counter culture movement is becoming clearer by the day. So whether it is calculated or just comes naturally, it is nevertheless evil. Biden says he has seen enough of this carnage. Then he blames guns. So clearly he hasn't seen enough of this decline, or his solution wouldn't be to bury it.

 

I'd be supportive of a tax upon any income created from the broadcasting of situations featuring murders and violent behaviors. Money created by blood should be tapped into to provide support to the defensive forces who protect from those it may inspire.

 

There will be a sharp increase of such births due to upcoming Roe vs Wade ruling, and we will see the predictable results in about 15 yrs when they reach gang-banger age, and crime rates will begin to increase steadily each year.

Crime has been on steady decline in past 30 years, and homicides have been reduced by 50%, so your welfare argument doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I am sure you WILL offer it again in 15 years when crime begins to increase, but the argument will miss the mark just like it does now.

If so, then stand by for more. When "it" hits the fan in 15 years, blame-shifting, or pretending that its a welfare issue, won't fix it.

 

Let's look at this another way.

Laws are passed to limit or restrict weapons from getting into the hands of criminals. They ignore the law, and commit crime with a gun. Does it really make sense in your mind to immediately think "well, we just need more laws"? Really?

 

Hi again, jcarlilesiu.

Laws are passed for a number of reasons, not just that stated in the first sentence of the quote above. In the second sentence, 'They' is given as an absolute. A more accurate statement would begin, "Some criminals ignore specific laws, ...". I assume the 'your mind' is rhetorical, as you - not rhetorical -- have no ready access to what I immediately think in any number of circumstances.

Laws differ in efficacy and, perhaps even more widely, in the level at which they are enforced. We have many laws on the books, some centuries old, which are not enforced but have never been legislatively removed.

Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.

 

The sad thing is, you actually posted that. The USA is in serious trouble if you are the litmus test.

 

He made a brilliant post.
The USA will be a symbol of the freedom you had, but carelessly gave away. You gave it away and now you’re a subject living on your knees at the whim of your gov. You’re no safer, no happier, and no better off than if you were a bunny in a cage.
We will keep our freedom and live on our own feet like citizens, in control of our gov and not the other way around.

trust me, we have seen the envy in every thread on this topic and you’ve helped steel our reserve.

 

Uh...I don't recall this kind of thing going on back in the 1800s, when we were pretty much like you describe.. Hell I don't remember it happening a lot in the the 1950s for even 1960s. It's only recently, when we have like 400 million guns.

But hey, it's not the guns, it's single mothers and declining morality. Little shooter didn't watch enough "Leave It to Beaver". That's it.

Uh huh, we hears ya.

 

Does it somehow make sense to conclude we need no laws because somebody might break them?

 

You keep telling yourself that Rambo.

Damn straight. I am totally envious and wish I lived over there where my kids will likely get slaughtered at school, and I could get shot by some random at a Hospital.