Answering the question, 'why didn't the FBI grab the TS docs back in june'?

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Shrugs

    What evidence do you want?
     
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    Possibly - they had to properly archive the original boxes first to identify there was still stuff missing then they asked nicely then there was a subpoena………
     
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    Do you have a shred of credible evidence to back up your claims?......Like you know, your claims above
     
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    They were there removing boxes themselves. Why didn’t they take them since they knew they were there?
     
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    In bold, not a word that would apply to Trump.
     
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    Come on, bro, why you gotta be so cold? Trump just needed a little more time, with the top secret nuclear documents, to comfort him, after his disappointing election loss-- which was something more horrible and difficult, than anything another human being has ever needed to go through. Besides, you see how he's come around, by giving him some space, around conceding he'd lost, and that Biden is now the president-- haven't you?
     
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    This is the part, of which I'd not previously heard, so am a bit dubious of your giving a full and accurate account, of the facts.
     
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    Let's not forget... the warrant was a "grab any and all documents or potential evidence"... from Jan. 2017...Show me the man. I'll show you the crime... the communist do it that way...
     
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    It’s truly amazing the effect he has on people who he has had no effect over…..

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    In the old days, the law was able to rise above personalities and confine itself to serious matters. Not today. As Rome burns, the federal government is consumed by trivial matters.
     
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    CNN previously reported that federal investigators visited Mar-a-Lago in June to discuss White House records they believed were still being held at the Palm Beach property with the former President and his attorneys.

    Trump was present at the beginning of the meeting to greet investigators but did not stay to answer questions. During the meeting, Trump's attorneys showed the investigators documents -- some of them had markings indicating they were classified. The agents were given custody of the documents that were marked top secret or higher, according to a person familiar with the matter.
     
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    It's his effect on his minions that we worry about. He is splitting this country apart because you guys believe every word that falls out of his mouth.
    You guys have always had a mistrust of government, but now you want to replace our democracy with a fascist idiot like Trump. You think the rest of the country is going to go down this rabbit hole with you guys? Hell NO!
     
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    Its why we fired him, the dude is so incompetent Trump let it get to a raid for a simple clerical error.
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    Why didn't he nip it in the bud last year?
     
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    Yes, I know that part of the story-- it does not support your conclusion, that therefore investigators were aware of all the documents. To the contrary, they were only aware of the ones they were shown. And Trump's lawyers could only show, whatever documents Trump had turned over to them. My understanding is that the lawyers had represented to the agents, at that meeting, that this was the full extent of Trump's "borrowed" documents. How would either the lawyers, or the agents, know any differently?

    After the documents were back in Washington, the DOJ came to realize that they had been lied to, that there were more documents which they'd not been shown. There is some speculation, mostly within Trump's circle, that the way that the DOJ came to realize this, had been through some insider "snitch."

    So, what you posted does not at all conflict with my understanding of events; but neither of those narratives suggests that agents had been shown all of these documents which they had come about, in June, but for some reason did not take them. If that had been the case, it would indeed require explanation, as it makes no sense-- what, the agent didn't have enough room for them, in his hatchback? The greater likelihood, I would say, at this point, is that the reason why this makes no sense, is because it never happened.
     
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    There is no way in hell a federal magistrate, the FBI director, and the Attorney General are going to sign off on a warrant for searching the property of the former president of the united states, a historical first with all kinds of political implications, if the FBI didn't have each and every concern you can possibly think of dealt with.
     
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    Well they better hope if they didn't find what they were looking for if they can fabricate something convincing enough to appease the American public.

    After fabricating the salacious details of the dossier to justify a fisa warrant to spy on his campaign you will have to forgive me if I have no faith in their honesty
     
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    You're not excused.

    They are not going to fabricate anything, they are not that stupid to pull off crap like that. If they did, they would be found out, and all hell would break lose. Your contention is absurd. And don't give me any crap on rogue examples in the past is a fair assessment of the 30,000 hard working patriots of the FBI who put their lives on the line putting bad guys in jail, noting that Garland won't stand for that kind of crap. But, leave it to the simplistic minds of right to twist any narrative to forward a right wing agenda.
     
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    Not to mention the fact that some of the documents he did hand over were shredded. We can claim victimhood all day long, but at the end of the day, the feds only took for themselves what belonged to them. There was not loss of property, there were no fines issued, or charges pressed. They simply went in and took documents that didn't belong to Trump to begin with.

    The self victimhood mentality is preemptive at best
     
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    It was actually the second time that he had failed to comply with the request to return all of the documents. The first incident was in January, but the request for the documents was coming from the National Archive. The second time around it was the Justice Department, yet still there was a failure to comply with the request. Perhaps if a third request was made there would have been a full compliance.. but perhaps the feds didn't want to risk those documents being moved or destroyed. Some of the documents that were returned were already shredded, so it isn't outlandish to believe that a third request would have only lead to a third failure to comply, along with additional documents being destroyed.

    At the end of it all the feds are only taking what belongs to them, if anything retrieved doesn't belong to them, they are legally obligated to return it.
     
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    It is because he can't be trusted, about anything, that a search warrant was issued rather than a subpoena.

    Schiff Dismisses Trump’s ‘Absurd’ Claim Of Declassifying Docs Seized By FBI

    Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), chair of the House Intelligence Committee, on Sunday rejected former President Trump’s claim that he declassified documents seized by the FBI during its search of his Mar-a-Lago resort last week.

    “We should determine, you know, whether there was any effort during the presidency to go through the process of declassification,” Schiff said in an interview on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” “I’ve seen no evidence of that, nor have they presented any evidence of that.”

    On Friday, federal judge Bruce Reinhart unsealed and released the Mar-a-Lago search warrant as well as a list of items seized during the search, following outrage from the former president and his GOP allies after the FBI executed a search warrant at his resort. The former president’s lawyers did not object to the release of the warrant.

    Court records unsealed Friday revealed that the FBI seized 11 sets of classified documents, some of which were indicated to be top secret, secret and confidential, and top secret/sensitive compartmented information (TS/SCI). Shortly after court records were unsealed, Trump posted on his knockoff Twitter app TRUTH Social that “it was all declassified” while he was in office.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/schiff-trump-claim-declassifying-documents-fbi
     
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    Answering the question : 'Why didn't the FBI grab the TS docs back in June ?'

    ~ Not close enough to elections. Timing is important.
     
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    Is this the same shifty schiff that promised us the evidence of this Russia collusion coming along any day now for years?
     
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