"School Shooting" is political?

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  1. Battle3

    Battle3 Well-Known Member

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    I searched "school shooting" on the google ngram viewer (it "charts the frequencies of any set of search strings using a yearly count of n-grams found in printed sources published between 1500 and 2019").

    Other than a slight bump arounf 1900, the term "school shooting" doesn't appear until 1994 and then its use in print skyrockets. There were some school shootinge before 1994. Why doesn't the phrase show up before 1994? What happened in 1994?

    The big event that put school shootings in everyones minds was Columbine but that was in 1999. And Columbine should have caused a spike in the use of the phrase "school shooting" - but it didn't. In fact the use of the phrase leveled off in the years after Columbine.

    What else happened in 1994? The Clinton assault weapons ban was passed and went into effect, and sunset in 2004.

    Maybe the fear of school shootings (which in reality are rare) were used to justify the assault weapons ban, then there was Columbine in 1999 which showed the ban was ineffective and the propaganda slowed, and then picked up just before 2004 when teh ban was going to expire.

    So maybe school shootings are just being used as propaganda to push gun control?
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    Other such terms:
    -Saturday night special
    -Junk guns
    -Assault weapons
    -Plastic guns
    -Weapons of War
    -Ghost guns
    All designed and/or used to generate an emotional response.
    Just another example of how the (D)ishonest prey upon the emotions of the ignorant.
     
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  3. Polydectes

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    Well it's like white supremacist, far right, extremist, white nationalist, and fascist.

    All of these terms are used to elicit emotional reaction.
     
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    I may be a little bit cynical by stating this.

    I think the reason why we can have no other solution that would work is because it would prove gun control is unnecessary.
     
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    Indeed. Same/same.
     
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    Dude - you're ignoring the Elephant in the room. The World Wide Web was was exploding about 1994, so more likely that it's a function of that.
     
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  7. Battle3

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    Possibly. But the database goes back 200 years and includes newspapers. Don’t you think newspapers would report school shootings?

    There was a rash of school shootings around 1900, that created a bulge that shows on the chart if you extend the date range. I expected Columbine to create a spike in 1999, but the curve is flat. Why didn’t Columbine create a spike?
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban
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    https://www.statista.com/statistics/971473/number-k-12-school-shootings-us/
    Of course a couple of the reasons why data may not go back further is lack of a defined database and lack of conversion of archival material into database form
     
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    Which database are you talking about!
     
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    School shootings are being used as propaganda though every form I've ever been to that has a gun control section there's someone carrying on about why we need to ban people from having guns because some psycho killed a bunch of people.

    And that's the only thing that we care about people doing that with so it's definitely propaganda.

    You can kill a bunch of people with a bomb with a vehicle with a flying vehicle nobody cares. Never heard talks about banning airplanes or cars or gasoline.
     
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    The Google ngram document database.
     
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    That's exactly what's going on.
     
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    Before 1994, news stories about school shootings probably began with "A shooting took place at a school......"
     
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    School shootings are used to push the "good guy with a gun" narrative and thus sell more guns. The NRA / gun industry elite get rich while gun violence plagues the US.
     
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    School shootings allow the sociopaths on the anti-gun side to stand on the bodies and bathe on the blood of the innocent as a means to push their mindless agenda; not a school shooting goes by where this does not happen.
     
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    People who prioritize human life over guns are not sociopaths.
     
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    guessing things like these?

    "'It was overwhelming': The 1994 deadly school shooting that rocked Nashville" 1994

    https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/crime/2018/10/08/1994-nashville-school-shooting/923644002/

    "1994 Wickliffe School Shooting: Terror enters middle school (Detailed description of the shooting unfolding)" 1994
    https://www.cleveland.com/metro/201...ed_description_of_the_shooting_unfolding.html

    "Boy Dies After Shooting on School Playground" 1994

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-04-14-mn-45831-story.html

    "Violence in Our Schools
    August 1, 1993 through July 31, 1994"


    http://www.columbine-angels.com/School_Violence_1993-1994.htm
     
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    If that was your collective agenda, you might be right.
    Your agenda, however is to lay as many unnecessary and ineffective restriction son the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms by the law abiding - and you're more than happy to stand on the bodies of dead children to do it.
    Thus, sociopaths..
     
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  19. Hey Now

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    When was the Internet first available to the public?
    "On April 30, 1993, four years after publishing a proposal for “an idea of linked information systems,” computer scientist Tim Berners-Lee released the source code for the world's first web browser and editor."
    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/world-wide-web-launches-in-public-domain
     
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    I found a photo of FDR on the internet. I guess pre-internet information still gets uploaded to the internet.
     
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    That issue has already been raised. See post #6 and #7.

    The data base includes all the print materials that google has scanned going back almost 200 years. That includes magazines, newspapers, books.

    As mentioned in post #7, there was a rash of school shootings in teh 1900-1905 time frame, it was reported in newspapers etc. and teh ngram for that period shows a significant bump. Then nothing until 1994.

    Columbine in 1999 was the event that shocked the nation, I would expect a noticable spike at that time, but nothing.

    Either the google ngram function isn't correct or there is more going on than meets the eye.
     
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    Much more likely that you are trying to fit a square peg into a partisan round hole. You have not even come close to proving your own hypothesis so it's unlikely you can disprove any rational point made.
     
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    I posed a question. There are certain facts that don't make sense.

    If you can explain them, then do so. I'm open to explanations (but if all you can do is name call then you are wasting time).
     
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    Your question had a (unproven) hypothesis attached, it was nonsensical at every level.
     
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  25. Battle3

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    Then may be you can explain some of the issues.

    Why was the rash of school shootings in 1900-1905 shown in the ngram but nothing from 1905 until 1994?
    With Columbine being such a big deal in the USA, why isn't there any hint of it in the ngram? Was there no bump in reporting of school shootings in the year after Columbine?
    The same can be said of Sandy Hook in December 2012, why no bump in the ngram?
    Why is it flat from about 2002 to 2008? There were school shootings during that period, about the same number as every other year.

    Since you seem to have the answer you should be able to explain these issues.
     

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