The jig is up for Trump: Special Master has asked declassification details

The 11th Circuit Court just ruled that you are wrong. The government's property is the government's property.
The 11th (with 2 of the three judges being Trump appointees) just ruled that the President must still go through proper declassification rules.

You should stop getting your legal advice from talking heads on Fox News.

 

Just saw Trump say that he could declassify documents ......just by "thinking about it" HIS words)


That verifies that he is a mental case as well as a fraud.

 

IT IS GREAT THAT THE MASTER IS CHECKING THE LAWS ON THIS. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE MASTER WILL RULE AGAINST TRUMP. A GOOD JUDGE ALWAYS CHECKS THE LAW BEFORE ANY RULING. THERE ARE PRO'S & CON'S TO EACH LAW IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE DEFENDENT. DON'T COUNT YOUR CHICKENS BEFORE THEY HATCH. REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED IN THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. THE LEFT WERE SCREAMING TIME AND AGAIN. WE GOT THE EVIDENCE, WE GOT TRUMP NOW. AND IT ALL WAS A HOAX.

 

We’ll actually the 11th called the declassification argument a “ red herring”. An argument made to draw attention away from the matter at hand. Zillions of words willfully utilized to distract an audience from the matter at hand: espionage and obstruction.

At least now the government can perform a national security damage assessment, determine if there is pattern to type of documents stolen, what and who has been compromised and what was possibly leaked and to whom. Plus determine where the content of the empty folders resides and whether they need to execute additional search warrants.

The Court also sliced and diced Cannon: “erred””, “abused discretion”. Took her down point by point on Richey.

That said, we still have thousands of documents for Dearie to wade through or the possibility for endless arguments that have nothing to with the matter at hand. There’s ample opportunity to waste time and energy!

 

Yes, how dare they review the non-classified documents! Trump isn't entitled to any such process, throw away the keys! At any event, while the court lent its ear to the argument that the DOJ couldn't engage in its review(though her now-defunct ruling gave it expressed permission to do so.) I found the argument incredibly laughable.

There laid an easy solution to their so-called dilemma: The intelligence review could begin in earnest, and then after that review is completed then it could file its criminal case. The government presented no evidence that its case would be impeded(other than its say so.). Apparently, the court feels fine to accept a government's say so, but not that of a private citizen. Irony.

But really, I appreciate this case. It illustrates that our judicial system is aligned with that of Russia. The Courts and the DOJ are inseparably joined at the hips, and we citizens are faced with this overwhelming and convincing power. Just hope that you never see an attorney. Our odds aren't what they used to be.

 

Trump is an elitist. The man has always had money, women, etc, won an election equivalent to winning the lottery, and he is still, a bitter, wretched, and contemptible person because he didn't get his way.

Not sure what neighborhood you are from, but that's not my neighborhood.

 

I'm no longer worried about him. I hope he dies soon.

The people that are cool with him stealing government secrets and his dirty deals with China, Russia and Saudi Arabia are a big problem though.

 

There is no jig. Past presidents have had classified material and Hillary too. Nodda happened to any of them.

 

The Clinton Tapes were "personal"
Did you even read the Presidential Record's Act ?
John Solomon?
Try harder.

"Personal records are defined as: “documentary materials or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character, which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President” and which include “diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business,” “private political associations” and “materials relating exclusively to the President’s own election to the office of the Presidency” [44 U.S.C. § 2201(3)]. Personal records remain the personal property of the President or the record creator. Records created by the President-elect and the transition team are also considered personal records. To the extent that these records are received and used after the inauguration by the incoming Presidential Administration, they may become Presidential or Federal records. Former Presidents have traditionally donated these personal transition records to the National Archives and Records Administration for deposit in their Presidential Library."

https://www.archives.gov/files/guid...-archives-and-records-administration-2020.pdf

 

Prove it that past presidents took home thousands of documents that belonged to the government, including 100 classified ones and top-top secret docs and wouldn't return them when asked by the NARA and the FBI.

 

That's an absurd argument because there is no indictment, but, if there was, their defense strategy would become apparent soon enough not to mention
that Trump would have to prove how he declassified anyway.

Anway, the classification argument is a red herring.

The Appeals court slammed Cannon. Here is their ruling.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000183-625b-da48-a3e3-e2ff83050000

...the district court made no mention in its analysis...as to why or how
Plaintiff [Trump] might have an individual interest in or need for the
classified documents. For our part, we cannot discern why Plaintiff [Trump]
would have an individual interest in or need for any of the one-hundred documents
with classification markings...

...a person may have access to classified information only if, among other requirements,
he "has a need-to-know the information."This requirement pertains equally to former
Presidents...

Plaintiff [Trump] has not even attempted to show that he has a need to know
the information contained in the classified documents.

Plaintiff [Trump] suggests that he may have declassified these
documents when he was President. But the record contains no
evidence that any of these records were declassified. And before
the special master, Plaintiff [Trump] resisted providing any
evidence that he had declassified any of these documents.

In any event, at least for these purposes, the declassification argument
is a red herring because declassifying an official document would not
change it's content or render it personal.

So even if we assumed that Plaintiff [Trump] did declassify some of all
of the documents, that would not explain why he has a personal interest
in them...he has not identified any reason that he is entitled to them.

...the district court abused its discretion in exercising jurisdiction over Plaintiff [Trump's]
motion as it concerns the classified documents.

And to the notion that Cannon's analysis for the necessity of a Special Master the
Appeals court wrote:

..that analysis was in error...

Cannon completely dismissed Allen Kohler Jr's affidavit, who was the assistant director of the counter intelligence division. The appeals court stated:

Though Kohler's declaration, the United States has sufficiently explained how and why it's
national-security review is inextricably intertwined with it's criminal investigation... No party
has offered anything beyond speculation to undermine the United State's representation--
supported by sworn testimony--that findings from the criminal investigation may be critical
to its national-security review.

 

Most of them were not asked to return any.

 

What presidents are you referring to that stashed classified documents at their home and the NARA said that was just fine?

 

Apparently you don't watch the news.

 

What is apparent is your deflection,

One more time:
Go for it.

"What presidents are you referring to that stashed classified documents at their home and the NARA said that was just fine?"

 

Trump is way smarter than the Deep State and folks like you... Trump wrote down the declassification and had the foresight to put it in the Federal Register so even folks like you are not able to change it...

Trump declassified the documents...

White House memo from Meadows...

His memorandum..
https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...to-the-fbis-crossfire-hurricane-investigation
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.go...lated-fbis-crossfire-hurricane-investigation/
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/DCPD-202100044/pdf/DCPD-202100044.pdf

 

The appeals court missed the big part.... I notice they didn't mention it...

This has been decided in court of law already... Trump gets to decide what to keep..
The president and vice president are the ultimate declassifying authority of the U.S. government and through executive orders most recently issued in 2003 by George W. Bush and Barack Obama in 2009 that specifically exempt the president and vice president from having to follow the stringent declassification procedures every other federal agency and official must follow.
Judge Amy Jackson ruled in 2012 that a president's discretion to declare records "personal" is far-reaching and mostly unchallengeable.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-co.../JW-v-NARA-Clinton-Tapes-transcript-01834.pdf


Presidential records found right in Clinton’s drawer
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/aug/22/tapes-stored-bill-clintons-sock-drawer-could-affec/

 

No problem eh?
Then there will be a 100 "memorandums" and/or "Executive Orders" that the govt has showing Trump's declassification orders of the stolen documents that are now n the FBI's hands.
A 'mountain" of them. lol

 

That's not even remotely true. Whoever told you that lie needs to get their head examined. Every President from Nixon to today has been expected to turn over all official documents. Without exception.

 

Apparently you didn't read @Izzy's question.

 

Many of them.

 

LOL. So, you are admitting that many took classified documents. You guys are too easy.

 

One should never forget that, at the end of the day, Trump always remains his own lawyer-in-Chief. So, when his lawyers submit stupid motions to the courts, it doesn't necessarily means these lawyers are stupid. See what I mean?

 

Apparently neither one of you are up on the news. Not surprising.