Do most white leftists believe that Black people do not have IDs?

A) I did not say that the OP qualified that he was talking about this forum. I made my comment to add more detail to the concept.

B) Hmm. I can think of several times of you putting down the left, and it always seems to include some whataboutism about the right such as in this thread. I cannot think of any times where I have seen you weigh in to criticize the right where you have pulled the same whatboutism about the left. If youd like to prove me wrong, please feel free. I do not pretend to see every post you ever make, but in my experience, that has been the case.

 

No, sorry! DMV is not the only place to get an ID. They are very easy to get.
For 30 bucks one can get a non-driver's licsense valid ID in NJ
https://www.state.nj.us/mvc/license/nondriverid.htm

I'm sure other states have options like this as well. and if you try and do it while being black, guess what, the computer doesn't explode, they don't vanish into thin air...it turns out, this would work the same way regardless of skin color

 

A) I didn't say you did say the OP qualified that he was talking about this forum
B) That you can't even pay attention to what is being posted shows how partisan you are and only see what you want to see.

Have a nice day

 

A) What you did is respond by pointing out that you did not say that the OP qualified his statement by saying in this forum. The logical inference from that would be that I made that assertion. If you "didnt say I did say", then your response was strange.

B) You think that I want to see you whatabouting the right and not doing that with the left? That is a bizarre belief.

FWIW....I just looked through your entire first page of recent posts. There is not ONE post that goes against my theory (Strange). I am sure there are examples, just not all that many.

At any rate, I already said that I appreciate that you are willing to sometimes criticize the left. That makes you different from most. But for you to believe that you are straight down the middle is just not what I have seen from you. I know your type. You are a contrarian and hate both sides. You just clearly hate the right more. I have a friend that is just like you. Its all good.

You have a nice day as well.

 

I have never met or heard of any African Americans that didn't have an ID, thus I can only presume Leftists want anyone to be able to vote without an ID so they personally can vote in multiple elections in multiple states all while having illegal immigrants vote or dead people vote more easily. There is a system to the madness and any illogic they can sheep people into believing otherwise as "Noble" or "Moral" reasons justify their rationale.

 

Be careful! Even though I can't see who you are debating with because I put them on ignore, I can tell from the your replies EXACTLY who it is. This person suckered me into the most warnings I ever got on this forum in my life yesterday and it looks like he's trying to pull the same crap with you. Don't take the bait like I did. Just know that replying to someone who goes off topic, even if you are calling them out on going off topic, is still going off topic yourself per the forum rules. This is just a friendly warning.

 

I've been in an accident with someone who was born here and didn't have insurance.

Voting and obtaining a drivers license are two totally different things.

 

A) No, it does not mean you made that assertion. I was merely pointing out that the claim in the OP was about all lefties and not just those on the forum. Sorry that confused you.
B) I don't hate either side. Sad assumption on your part. Just because some recent posts don't have me calling our both sides doesn't mean I don't have a history of doing it. Christ, talk about cherry picking.

 

Thanks for the heads up, but are you talking about a person that has a 3 letter name that starts with E and ands with A? He doesnt seem the type that you describe.

 

Looks like Darth isn't willing to take responsibility for his own actions. How sad.

 

So, what you are advocating is anyone can get an ID ask for one including terrorists, MS13 and any rapist that wants to walk across the border unvetted.

You do know once you get an ID, people can vote with that ID. That is the only reason Democrats advocate this is to get free votes.

 

Draw your own conclusion from the fact that I clicked "LIKE"....I need to play it safe

 

You seem butthurt. Sorry for that.

 

Not in the least bit. The day I let an anonymous person upset me is the day I eat a bullet. Cheers

 

Why is it very white of me? You think blacks are incapable of getting a drivers license until they are adults?

 

Most poor people, white or black, aren't running out to get drivers licenses as soon as they are of age.

To assume they are just shows your privilege.

 

For a guy that doesnt let an anonymous person upset you and would "rather eat a bullet" (bizarre statement), your replies come across as someone that is butthurt. To whatever extent that I have contributed to that state of affairs, I apologize.

Cheers to you as well.

 

I think it comes down to the basic problem with the conservative narrative on how society works. Conservatives say everybody has a choice. Anybody can make the right choices, be powerful, and go out and do the best thing, but due to individual failings they don't most of the time. Personal responsibility is the narrative, but with no consideration given to context.

The reality is that context does matter. Choices occur in a context, and that context will influence how often particularly choices are made. If it's more difficult in any way for one group of people to get an ID, then that group will less often have it ceteris paribus. If there's no compelling reason to require an ID for something, then that group is being unfairly targeted. So we come back to the lies about election fraud, which are being used by the right to try to gain an undemocratic advantage in elections. That's all there is to it. It's not really because the right is racist, so much as antidemocratic. If black people or people without voter IDs were more likely to vote republican, republicans wouldn't be worrying about this issue or would be advocating the opposite of what they do now.

 

You seem to have this habit of assuming things. Try reading what is actually posted rather than what you think is posted. You're welcome

 

I think this "low expectations" thing rather misses the point. The objection (or at least the better formulated objections) aren't that minorities are absolutely unable to ever acquire these IDs, but rather that, because a larger proportion of them don't already have them, such laws place a heavier burden on them. The obvious historical parallel are the literacy tests used to disenfranchise black voters in the South.

Consider this alternative which reverses the situation: a law which requires all voters to know at least two languages (English AND Spanish) in order to vote, with language classes freely given to those that need them. One might understandably protest that this would vastly strengthen the voting power of Hispanic Americans, as they are disproportionally likely to already meet that requirement, at the expense of other ethnic groups. Should we then reply, "What? You're saying that white people are too stupid to learn Spanish? That's the bigotry of soft expectations."

Any time you introduce a new requirement which one group already fulfills significantly more often than the other, there is an obvious implication of bias, particularly in cases where the side introducing the requirement stands to benefit from the discrepancy.

 

Of course republicans wouldn't care of most black voters voted for them. I don't disagree with that. They aren't angels over there on the right. What I take issue with in your post is this comment:
"If there's no compelling reason to require an ID for something"
I think its a very compelling reason being that votes determine how the country is run. I would say that is pretty important but I agree with your right to think it isn't.
I also would like to know, how hard to you think it is for them to get an ID? Sorry, not buying it. I do appreciate you being nice and talking like an adult and giving scenarios but I do not agree its such a hard thing to obtain and I think proof of citizenship is a MUST when it comes to voting.

 

If you want to go the route of telling me to read what was actually posted, can you tell me where I claimed that you do not have a history of "calling out both sides"?

In light of this conversation, that is a weird claim. Not as weird as saying youd rather eat a bullet, but weird nonetheless.

 

I think requiring proof of citizenship at the time of voter registration would be reasonable.

 

It takes more than saying voting is important. One would have to show that there either is a problem or vulnerability likely to be exploited, and that the voter ID requirement would address that problem. As far as I know, the existence of the problem hasn't been demonstrated. Cases of voter fraud have been uncommon, insignificant, and anecdotally seems to usually be done by right wingers trying to counteract a delusion of left-wing voter fraud. So we're talking about no demonstrable benefit to be gained, while making it harder for people to vote for no reason other than perhaps to suppress democrat votes.

I didn't see recent data on a quick search, but I recall older data about 10 years ago showed that black adults were about 3 times more likely to not have an ID vs white adults.

 

That needs to be fixed then. No citizen should be denied identification (and i don't believe they would be). If they are 3 times less likely to not have an ID, why is that? Are they 3 times less likely to have internet connected cell phones? Can they not go on their local government site and fill out and application? Like what is the actual hold up here? What is the implication? That they are too lazy to do this process? If that is the case (and I know that is NOT what you said), then the integrity of the whole election system should suffer based on a small number of lazy folks?