Do most white leftists believe that Black people do not have IDs?

I just found this, for what it's worth.

"The most common voter ID is a driver’s license, and minorities are less likely to drive. A 2007 study found that in California, New Mexico, and Washington, whites were more likely to have driver’s licenses than nonwhites. In Orange County, Calif., about 92 percent of white voters had driver’s licenses, compared with only 84 percent of Latino voters and 81 percent of “other” voters. A 2005 study of Wisconsin similarly found that while about 80 percent of white residents had licenses, only about half of African-American and Hispanic residents had licenses.

Minorities are less likely to have driver’s licenses because they are more likely to be poor and to live in urban areas. If you can’t afford a car, or if you don’t need one because you take the bus or subway, you are less likely to have a driver’s license."

 

Many blacks live in big cities where having a car is not necessary as would be a drivers license. I would also assume, based on population ratios, that more whites than blacks live in areas where DMV offices could be a long distance away. And why is it ALWAYS blacks that the left assumes has all these problems? Why not anyone else?,

 

How far left are you?

 

Most people can’t wait to get a DL and in many states they can get one at 16 years of age. Maybe you were different and took longer to do what the rest of the country did, hopefully you’ll soon catch up.

You need to stop insulting people and act civil instead of acting like an immature brat who thinks he won the argument because he got the last insult in.

 

How does it make us safer?

 

What does allow a person to vote?

 

What world do you live in? Certainly not the world the rest of us do.

 

That's it? How about when Pedro Gonzalez shows up to vote and says he's Mary Jones, then what?

 

The hypocrisy in this thread is typical of what we see from the left. The people who want any swinging dick to vote are the same people who for 4 years bitched about election integrity. One guy even wants Jose, who is on the deportation list, to be able to vote because he has a driver's license which somehow made us safer.

 

This is what we call totally surrendering. Instead of saying no one is above the law and the people who shouldn't be here shouldn't be here, you just throw up your hands, wave the white flag and want illegals to have drivers licenses. Let me guess, you're an open borders kinda guy/gal/whatever, right?

 

Surrender? Is this a war?

Wouldn't you rather know who is here?

It's so cute that you oppose the government finding out who is actually here.

 

Knowing who is here, being able to keep track of who is driving makes us safer.

Do you think that not having a license is stopping anyone from driving?

 

I don't believe having a drivers license makes one a legal citizen. Therefore "Jose" still won't be able to legally vote in presidential elections. Which is how it should be. Illegals should NOT...as in NOT...be able to vote. And NO, I don't support illegals getting a drivers license. Let me say that again...NO, I don't support illegals getting a drivers license.

 

It’s cute that you think illegals would walk into a government building and announce they’re here.

 

How specifically does an illegal having a drivers license make us safer?

 

How the hell is it keep us safer if they don't have a lick of insurance? You democrats should volunteer to pony up the money for an uninsured illegal alien driver fund.

 

Ironically, that is itself a racist statement.

 

Can we please stop using black as proxy for poor? If you mean poor, say poor.

 

They learned it from Biden. He did say "Poor kids are just as smart as white kids"

 

To compare an ID requirement to a literacy test or even a requirement to speak Spanish is a little much dont you think? Learning to read or learning Spanish, in addition to having nothing to do with eligibility to vote, takes a great deal of effort while obtaining a valid ID does not, especially in a comparative sense. The Spanish thing also grossly exxagerates the comparable advantage of Hispanics speaking Spanish vs blacks having an ID.

In todays day and age, one needs an ID to do virtually anything. To not have one is essentially to not participate in society. For that tiny percentage that does not have an ID, an even tinier percent of them are even going to want to vote being that they participate in so little else of society. Of those people that do not have an ID, and DO want to vote, getting one should not be all that difficult, and to that end, I ( and most people supporting ID requirements) have no problem with providing free ID's to those in need. You are talking about such a tiny infinitessimal percentage of the population that does not have an ID, wants to vote, has the ability to go vote, but does not have the ability to go get a valid ID, that the impact on an election is virtually non existent in a national election. Nobody is going to the ends of the earth in order to disenfranchise such a ridiculously tiny percentage of society where it impacts blacks maybe 10% more than it impacts whites.

You could play the same game and say that it impacts old people far more than younger and then muse that old people vote Republican by a fairly significant margin.

The reality is that the desire for an ID requirement has not one thing to do with disenfranchising anyone. It is there to safeguard the security of our elections. Saying that there is no proof that many people vote illegally due to not having an ID in places where it is not required, is like saying that there is no proof that anyone speeds by virtue of there being no speeding tickets on a stretch of highway where you do not police. It is a nonsensical assertion. An ID requirement keeps people honest, INCLUDING the poll workers whom could have the biggest impact.

This also doesnt have to be in relation to a presidential election. When I had just turned 18, a friend of mine's mother was running for the school board. Myself and a few friends worked outside the polls handing out fliers for her, and not one of us idiots went inside to vote. It turns out she lost by one vote. Literally one vote. Narrow results happen in local elections all the time. Even one person fraudulently voting can very realistically swing an election. One person fraudulently voting effectively cancels out the vote of all other legitimate voters. Asking a person to confirm who they are is not such a terrible hurdle in order to vote. I personally would be fine with just a utility bill. It has nothing to do with trying to disenfranchise a legitimate voter. It is about nothing more than a reasonable attempt to verify that a voter getting a ballot is being obtained by the actual voter.

Very few people hold your position, even amongst actual Democrat voters. It is only the politically active class that pushes your narrative.

 

If by "these problems" you mean "not having an ID that meets the requirements of proposed laws," then I don't anyone, left or right, has to make assumptions; its been studied, we can just look at the data and see who has those kind of problems. And the data shows that whites are more likely to already possess those kind of IDs than are blacks or Hispanics. It was the OP that asked specifically singled out black people.

 

Do most Conservatives believe all that matters is to address the needs of the majority of any group-- with, say, abortion for pregnant women; or voting, for blacks with IDs-- such that the needs of those who are not among "most" of either group-- as very young girls who get pregnant; or blacks without IDs-- are irrelevant?

 

Only if I wasn't white. But I am, so I get a pass to attack that group.

 

Sure it is. I have two Black daughters and the majority of democrat victimization of blacks is highly offensive.

 

Things that disproportionately impact the poor, disproportionately impact black people.

Discrimination of the poor is often driven by racism; poor white people are just collateral damage.

If the people i grew up with could ever realize that they are being screwed over by the same people that black people are getting screwed over by, the elites might actually have a problem.