the end of western civilization ?

many democrats fought for the union, but every klansman was a white christian.

 

Rest assure, in 2016 and 2020, every Klansman voted the MAGA way.

 

The KKK became a vehicle for resistance to the Republican Party’s Reconstruction policies to stop political and economic equality for Black Americans.
Now what party do you think that might be?
You're really not going to argue that the KKK was not hosted by the Democrat party are you.

 

The Renaisance. Western civilization is founded upon the valuation of individual rights and equal protection of those rights under the law. Prior to the Renaisance, it was accepted that humans should be ruled. Rejection of being ruled built the west. As we centralize power, even 'democratically', we move further away from that concept. Most people recognize that voting for a totalitarian king would destroy both democracy and western values... but incongruently, people also are voting to centralize more and more power into smaller and smaller groups of technocrats. The west is destroying itself by apparently preferring to be ruled.

 

most european nations were only beginning to be united under strong "divine right" monarchs by the renaissance. it took the 18th century enlightenment for such individualism to take hold. even "private property" and "capitalism" are (less enlightened) 18th century concepts. with centralization of empires continuing through the early 20th century.

 

Oh, aren't you the moralistic one?

BTW, which Party is it, NOW, that the KKK is most cozy with, do you suppose?

But why concern yourself with the present, when you can criticize the Democratic Party for something in its distant past, right? Even though the Dems are a much different Party, now, and most of that overtly racist element, has moved over into the GOP.

 

Well, lets see.
It was Democrats who fought for slavery
It was Democrats who created the KKK
It was Democrats who voted for Jim Crow laws
It was Democrats voting against civil rights
It was Democrats who held the New York Klan bake
It was Democrats who pushed segregation down everyones throats
It was Democrats who supported their exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd
It was Democrats who were the party of known racist like Strom Thurmond, Lester Maddox, and George Wallace, to mention but a few, and the “Dixiecrats” who fought against integration.
It was Democrat policies put forth for welfare, Food Stamps, government oversight into families have destroyed the Black families in America, making them dependent on government over self-reliance.
It was Democrats who appointed former Klansman, Senator Hugo Black, to the Supreme Court, and refused to comply with the Republican demand to desegregate the armed forces.
It was Democrats in Congress who condemned Supreme Court’s decision in Brown v. Board of Education, and pledged to continue segregation
It was Democrats 125-hour, around-the-clock filibuster trying to stop the Civil Rights Act of 1960,
It was Democrat LBJ who stated, “These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference… I’ll have them ******s voting Democratic for the next two hundred years”.
It was Democrats The Violent Crime Control Act of 1991. To quote the former First Lady, Hillary Clinton, this bill was to deal with urban youth she referred to as “super predators” the effected blacks 100 to 1 over whites
Its Democrat Biden who has a long history of racist remarks. Way too many to list here
Its Democrats who labeled SCOTUS Justice Clarence Thomas as an Uncle Tom
Its Democrats just last year who were just running adds in California labeling Larry Elder as the black face of White Supremacy

So no, we haven't seen a huge change in the way Democrats have continued their hatred for blacks. They pander to them for their votes. Thats about it

 

Your post proved my point, that you are unperturbed by current racism, if it reflects poorly on Republicans. You only "care" about it, if it can be used to smear Democrats. Most of your long list, concerned another age, and an essentially different Party, than the modern Democratic one.

If you knew anything about political history, you would realize that LBJ's advocacy for passing the Civil Rights legislation which JFK had wanted, was the reason that white Democrats, especially in the South, became Republicans. It seems that racism was their #1 issue. And if anti-racism had been a Republican ideal of significant importance, it seems that your party would not have wanted these racists (or racially disgruntled whites). But Republicans were glad to make room for them; as well as for other fringe elements, along the way, which have all led, to the GOP of today.

So, to limit myself to your 4 most recent citations, and begin with 1960:

As I'd just stated, it was this Civil Rights Act, which led to the shift, from Dem to Republican, among voters (and so, ultimately, among pols). As for the specific quote from LBJ:
1) racist attitudes were much more common among all whites, at that time-- have you not noticed any change in our culture, over the past 80 years?
2) No words or actions of merely one person, it should be self-evident, can be the basis for evaluating an entire party (much less, that party, 80 years later);
3) if this were not the case, what do you make of Ronald Reagan's phone call, with Richard Nixon, 11 years after LBJ's quote, in which those negros from African countries are called "monkeys" who are not even comfortable wearing shoes-- at which "joke," Nixon laughs? (Reagan also damns them).




And now, let us all just wait for the hypocrisy to start gushing, afresh.


P.S.-- I will continue with your other three citations, after your response.

 

I not going to wade through your trough of deflections
I gave you the list you requested
They are there if you think you're packin the gear to dispute one
But if you could dispute one, you would have instead of the rage page

 

So, you claim some democrats voted for "Make America Great Again"? Well, that's no surprise, no one said all Democrats were un-American ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Why don't you name all the Dixiecrats who switched parties from racist democrats to racist republicans There must of been hundreds if not thousands.
Heres your chance, Name some.

 

"Western Civilization" still thrives in one place. In that place, people are civilized and still say "Please", "Thank You", "Yes Sir", and "no Ma'am". Its a place where law and order reign, where criminal are punished and police are supported. Its a place where you can walk the streets any hour of the day or night and feel safe. Its a place where government interferes with your life little, if at all. Schools aren't closed, businesses stay open and people are free to express themselves freely. Its a place where taxes aren't burdensome and costs are reasonable. It a place where people aren't upset over silly things like pronouns and the definition of a woman (or a man) is well known and universally agreed upon. Its a place where personal, professional and civil loyalty is valued and practiced. Its a place where people greet each with friendliness eye-to-eye everywhere they go. Its a very "civil" place. And its in the "west".
The place where where "western civilization" is easily defined... and observed. TEXAS! WHERE FREEDOM LIVES!

 

Given the left's ideas on abortion and euthanasia among other things human sacrifice appears to be a thing...

In fact the only difference between the modern left and the ancient sumerian is technology

 

The above post would only stem from willing projection. My post was not cryptic in any sense, even for a "seasoned" hyper partisan.

 

You did mention Klansman, as in members of the KKK, correct? It's no secret as to where their "Democrat" roots begin ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

We've been thru this at least a thousand post threads and bottom line is always, good ol southern Democrats

 

And, it's 2022, HELLOOOOOOO!!!!!

So, as we both know, in 2016 and 2020, every Klansman voted for Trump. What's so hurtful about that? The truth sets you free. Don't you want freedom for everyone including the Klansman who all voted for Trump 2016/2020?

 

Well you know Democrats, they cling to tradition Sure they try and convince everyone differently, but we all know their roots travel deep in this particular group

 

This might be the worse deflection I've seen today....wtf?!!
We both know that every Klansman in 2016 and 2020 voted for MAGA/Trump. Every single one! Don't run from truth, own it!

 

I'll name one Democrat, who switched to the Republican Party, who is actually relevant to the argument that you have led us on, by your deflection of quoting LBJ, as supposed evidence of current Democratic racism, which led to my later quote of Reagan (which had been far more blatantly racist-- and yet, about which, you have not offered a peep, in now your 2nd reply to it).
What Republican party- switcher am I talking about? None other than RONALD REAGAN.

 

You claimed If I knew anything about political history, I would realize that LBJ's advocacy for passing the Civil Rights legislation which JFK had wanted, was the reason that white Democrats, especially in the South, became Republicans. It seems that racism was their #1 issue.

But the only person on the planet of these thousands of supposed Dixecrats you can name is Reagan? And not because of any policy he had, but because of a single joke?
What it proves is you have got sucked into the oldest debunked claim Democrats ever had and decided to try it out here. But when you got called out and asked to provide some of these racist Dixiecrats who all switched parties to become racist Republicans, you suddenly got amnesia so the best you could come up with was Reagan?

Might I suggest if your going to regurgitate old debunked Democrat garbage that was a failed attempt by Democrats when they created it, to run from their racist past, you find someone who has the same history education you do. Because you can't sell that ole wives tale anywhere else. lol

 

you never heard of strom thurmond? tauzin. many others. but more significantly the white southern voters of the "solid south" switched their still solid loyalty to the dog whistling repubs.

 

Oh please, the west expanded and industrialized slavery to levels never before seen.

https://bridgekeepernikki.medium.com/yes-africans-did-sell-africans-into-slavery-39fb5b20e306

 

Must have been thousands
Give us a few dozen names. Help yourself.

 

Suggest all the bullshit, you want-- it seems to be your forte. In truth though, in this thread about "Western Civilization," examining one undeniable phenomenon, instrumental in the creation of that civilization of today, slavery, your expecting anyone to go back 80 years, to research the specific names of a bunch of mostly utterly anonymous politicians, to try to prove to you something which, anyone with half a clue, already knows, and also something that anyone with 2 ounces of common sense could put together for themself, when anyone who isn't comatose, should already realize, even if someone were to spend hours and hours to produce this list, it would not budge your opinion one inch, is just an unreasonable, and pathetic attempt at deflection.

But I will play along, with your rules, as long as YOU do. IOW, I gave you the name of Reagan; Rampart gave you a couple of others. But you consider these meaningless, unless we produce dozens, though you will no doubt raise the bar, as we go, to hundreds of examples, in support of something that could perhaps be called, common knowledge. Well, my short-sighted friend, that means that we can look at your quotes from LBJ, and your allegations of Biden (w/out actual quotes) the same way: as meaningless! You are trying to allege an entire Party's being racist-- do you know how many people are in the Democratic Party? And not just presently, but you are using a timeframe that goes back, really to the mid nineteenth century. But I'll cut you a break, and only consider your needing to supply quotes from any slightly significant portion of those Democrats, back to the Civil Rights Act, which you reference. Hell, I'm feeling generous-- supply quotes from only 500 of them, and I'll take your point.


Otherwise, as far as regurgitated garbage-- he who suggested it, retched it.

 

Yes, socialism is just much a Western philosophy as Capitalism. And to be honest creating a coherent “Western” philosophy is frivolous. It’s definitely no straight line, and typically those who implore a coherent West often have nefarious objectives.