Regarding sexualized drag shows for LITTLE CHILDREN:

It's usually a good thing to improve one's post with more information.

 

"Parents brought their kids to the show. If they are ok with bringing THEIR kids to a show like that then what business is it of yours?"

Seems quite obvious...the above means it's none of your business (or mine or anyone else's) parents bringing their kids to a drag show

"Would you like it if people told you how to parent your kids? I'm guessing not."

Again pretty obvious...the above means you know damn well YOU wouldn't like someone else telling YOU how to parent your kids. No parent likes being told how to parent their own kids

"While I wouldn't bring my kids to a drag queen show, others are free to do so."

Yet again pretty obvious...the above means I would never have brought my own kids to a drag show, but others are free to do so. After all, we do live in a free country

Are there any other OBVIOUS things you need explained to you?

 

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Then you lied when you made the claim that you never made the claim that it was OK for kids to be at drag queen shows 'cause the parents brought their kids to drag queen shows.

 

Not only are you wrong, but you are returning to the ridiculous, by pretending that you would even have any way to know such a thing.

As to the general principal, of a parent "hav(ing) a say in how their kids are raised," of course, I support that idea-- who wouldn't? This concept carries with it, the understanding that one will not agree with all other parents' ideas-- this is the whole point, of each parent having the right to decide what is appropriate for their own child. But, naturally, this latitude cannot be unlimited. If she wants to bring her kid to drag show, even if I would not concur with the decision, it does not rise to the level, of calling for state intervention-- do you disagree? If so, it would seem that it is actually you, who does not really believe in parents' rights.

When the parent starts preparing her kid to be a murderer, though, I would hope did not need to be explained, the parent has exceeded the limit of their legitimate, child-- rearing discretion.

 

Well, school teachers and sex groomers don't agree that parents have a say in how their children are raised. The DOJ doesn't agree that parents have a say in how to raise their kids.

 

Nope. Never stated it was ok. I said it’s no one else’s business if they brought their kids to a drag show and that they are free to do so because we live in a free country. Please read what is actually being posted rather than what you think is being posted.

 

Could you be (much) more specific?

 

So we have a thread titled "Regarding sexualized drag shows for LITTLE CHILDREN:"

One would assume that it was a thread about drag shows aimed at little children. Not so.

There is a link to a video of a drag queen in a restaurant. It was by invitation at a private establishment, and there were warnings on the invite. There was no dry-humping, no lap-dances, and the person in drag was not dressed as a stripper either. It was, in short, not a drag queen show put on for little children. It was for adults with one child in attendance. So a fake click-bait thread title.

Is this all about defending little children because to me it seems more of an overt attack on LGBTQ adults in the absence of any kind of proof of what was claimed in the first post. It is not unreasonable to take the stance that children shouldn't be sexualized because they shouldn't. Unfortunately, in this day and age they are. Let's not talk about how Barbie dolls are overly sexualized or how there are beauty pageants, tv shows, music videos, magazines etc that sexualize children. Posting a video under the guise of protecting children that isn't even close to a drag queen putting on a sexualized show for children seems to be, as I said, more of an attack on LGBTQ adults.

I wonder about the child who was watching the drag queen in the video. She didn't even seem interested. If the child was upset or traumatized then that would be relevant. The drag queen wasn't even playing to the one child in the audience, he was facing away from the child most of the time. His sexy underwear turned out to be a pair of granny knickers that he flashed. Take a child to a beach and they get treated to much much worse things than that.

There is no evidence that drag queens are pedophiles, child molesters, or child groomers. There are pedophiles and child molesters all over -- doctors, politicians, clergy, dentists, teachers, any profession and in any walk of life. This is not to argue that drag queens are never molesters or aren't pedophiles because you find them everywhere, all over. But there is absolutely no basis for asserting that as a group they molest and groom children. It's just a way of whipping up hatred and bigotry against a group of people.

Any individual who abuses children needs to be arrested and answer to that, no matter who they are or what their orientation is.

Most drag queens do not prance around half naked as strippers. And how is a person dressed up as a drag queen reading the 'Tiger Who Came to Tea' in a library grooming or sexualizing a child? Most children wouldn't give it a second thought until some narrow-minded adult comes along and tells them it's 'dirty' or 'bad'.

Is this fake news really concern for children or just a disguise for something else. It's ugly to associate the LGBTQ with being pedophiles, or child molesters and wanting to groom children. Downright ugly.

What is the difference between hate speech and free speech? Everybody is free to express themselves even if it may shock, offend or disturb others. The moment people start to incite violence, discrimination, or hostility against a group of persons -- this is hate speech not free speech.

What's going on here? Free speech or Hate speech. A bit of both I think.

 

And of course, you didn't read the thread name and don't believe drag shows have been brought into schools.
There's a segment of society that is beyond recovery; no matter what happens they love the world of delusion.
I hate to write people off as hopeless, but it makes no sense to do anything else. You know this is real and true, but choose to pretend otherwise. That's a choice, not an accident.

Google "drag show in schools".

 

Yet all evidence to the contrary.

 

Then you should have no problem finding some.

 

So now your post about free speech to my post of the left making up excuses to have discussions with 5 year olds about gay and trans sexuality issues, doesn't exist.
Well alrighty then

 

Wanting to have sexual discussions with 5 year olds is something that resides in your own head.

Just because you falsely throw around accusations doesn’t mean I have to support the legislation for your made up problems.

 

Which has what to do with your post about free speech and having discussions with 5 year olds about gay and trans sexuality issues.

 

I see something very wrong in this. What's wrong in this is that it plugs the notion that a person being in drag is presenting as sexual when the whole thing is meant to be parody.

Drag has been going on for decades if not centuries. Drag performers have performed for kids all that time. Pantomime is a prime example.

Drag is highly prevalent in many cultures around the world. Figures like the British star Danny LaRue have been mainstream comedic staples for decades.







Or Les Dawson who sometimes portrays as a complaining old battle-axe:



In some places and cultures drag or some variation of it can optionally be seen as sexual, such as ladyboys in Thailand and the Philippines but again, that's perfectly acceptable within that society. I have never considered drag to be remotely sexual in any Western context. It's often seen as comedic and fun but it can also be aesthetically beautiful and artistic if that's your kind of thing.


What I see wrong with the title of this thread and the whole puritanical bigot-boat around trans issues on the socially conservative right is that it is specifically designed to other these people who, up until now, have been pretty much left to their own devices.

I think the reason this has come about is that it's no longer culturally acceptable to levy this kind vitriol and animosity toward gay people (though Lord knows they keep trying) so they had to find another target and that's become drag queens and trans people.

It's a phase. It will pass and then the same kind of people (because there's always a few, it's human nature just like variations in sexuality) will be scratching around for a new target to despise.

 

But that's the whole point. It's got nothing to do with genuine concern for kids. Seems to me there's a certain kind of person who isn't happy unless they've got some kind of group (usually a minority) to loathe and despise.

If I was warning kids about anything, I'd warn them about that!

 

A lot of people are losing the ability to know the difference in parody and promotion. There is a place for parody in entertainment, always has been- but that's not the point here at all. The objectionable thing is the celebration of deviant behavior, the attempt to normalize it- and the damage this does to young people. Of course the deviants don't see it that way- if they did, we wouldn't have these problems.

One thing for sure- none of it belongs in schools.

 

Largely speaking, we don't have "these problems", they're made up problems in need of a solution. Drag has been around for centuries. Kids have been entertained by drag artists for at least as long. The only way drag might be "sexual" is in terms of ridiculous innuendo that adults might get but kids never would. This is all a storm in a teacup and will pass very soon once people get bored of it.

 

The propaganda laid out in this thread is being used to promote legislation to silence gay and transgender students, along with banning discussion on any topic that conservatives find uncomfortable, a rather clear attack on free speech.

More than that, the laws Republicans are looking to implement are designed to entangle public schools with frivolous lawsuits in their decade long quest to dismantle public education.

You see, none of these charlatans care about 5 year old children. They are only using them as a prop to promote their own bigotry and authoritarian ideology.

 

That view would have been true a few generations back, but the entire nature of things has changed substantially today.
The conditions of society reflect the magnitude and nature of problems. All you have to do is look- but of course, if you are near-sighted or not old enough to remember when America was stable and orderly, then you might not understand.

The nation didn't get in this mess by making the right decisions and upholding the right standards.

 

Because the kind of parents who think this will be good for their child, likely have some kind of malfunction themselves.

 

First, Les Dawson is not remotely sexualising or doing 'girlface'. Second, the SE Asian ladyboys are all about sexualisation. Many even work in the sex industry. Third, no it's not a 'phase'. Drag/cross-dressing/trans will never fall organically into acceptance as homosexuality has. There's a VERY big difference between the two - which is why so many gay people are seeking to distance themselves from the entire business.

And finally, we should never be 'okay' with the immense misogyny of girlface.

 

Dude, the whole resistance is about 5 year old children.

The problem is that Progressives are so unaccustomed to putting kids first, they cannot imagine such a thing. They see only what they recognise in themselves.

 

I'm in my 60s. "stable and orderly" sounds like "my way or the highway" to me. Thanks for your concern but I do understand; quite lucidly as it happens.

This nation's always been a mess. That's what makes it what it is. It's a process not a cul-de-sac.

 

Well said.