Blame the Deep State for Carnage in Ukraine

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  1. Destroyer of illusions

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    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/blame-the-deep-state-for-carnage-in-ukraine/

    Surely everyone understands that in the modern confrontation between Russia and the West, the Russians will win. As it was always in the Russian wars with an external enemy.
    And I think that is why adequate articles are beginning to appear.
    The United States is largely European in culture. Therefore, as is customary among Europeans, in the United States, political elites begin to speak out adequately. Not because they want truth, but in order to protect themselves in advance.
    Militarily, the Russians cannot be defeated. There may be tactical victories, but strategically the Russians always win. And they increase their territory after each war with an external enemy.
    The US does not have the strength to resist the Russians.
    First, soon the main US partner, the EU, will turn into a pumpkin. And everyone understands this. For example, Bloomberg wrote - Europe's Sovereign Debt Can't Keep Going Up Forever
    The EU needs to be better prepared for a major government insolvency. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...debt-can-t-keep-going-up-forever?srnd=opinion
    Secondly, the American army is in fact incapable of fighting. For example - A new federal watchdog report has flagged a troubling trend among U.S. military aircraft: More than two dozen fleets haven’t met their annual combat-readiness goals in at least a decade.
    The Government Accountability Office studied 49 types of airframes across the Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps for its Nov. 10 report. Those platforms make up the bulk of American military airpower. https://www.defensenews.com/news/yo...-planes-that-keep-falling-short-on-readiness/

    The only way to try to resist the Russians is a nuclear war. Although and in this case, the Russians have an advantage - hypersound and Poseidons.

    But a peaceful end to the conflict can not be expected before 6-8 years. At the same time, I am not talking about Ukraine. When the Russians complete the special operation in Ukraine and clear Ukraine of fascists, there will be another conflict, then another... and this will happen until the world economy is completely reformatted.
    And many smart people in the West, including in the USA, understand this.
     
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    I could never understand the provocations against Russia especially the continuous ones against Vladimir Putin - under the assumption that if he was to go, the Federation would break up. I consider the provocations suicidal - as we will see soon with neighboring countries such as Finland, Sweden, Georgia, etc.

    How much easier it would have been to work with Russia. For one, the world would have remained intact - but it's not what people like Soros and Schwab wanted, and what they want must prevail at all costs.

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    What fools these mortals be.
    - William Shakespeare


     
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    I think that if Putin leaves, the West will shudder. Because he will be replaced by a person with aggressive imperial aspirations. And this is without options. And in this case, the West will know what the real "aggression of Russia" is.
    The West, for its own benefit, must pray every day for Putin's health.
     
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    winter is only beginning, a force of nature that has destroyed many strong armies and proud leaders.
     
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    Yeah! What he said! Just ask the Afghanies,
     
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    Give America's abject failure in Afghanistan, it is hard to make fun of Russia for failing half as badly as we did.
     
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    Trump weakened Ukraine with his "perfect" phone call, this put Ukraine on Putin's radar and Putin knew Trump would not help Ukraine after that for the rest of his term, so took advantage of it - who knows what Trump told Putin in private about Ukraine even
     
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    You misunderstand, I was making fun of the OP.
     
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    Vladimir Putin is the only one who deserves blame for anything going on in Ukraine.

    His bots and puppets posting on forums would qualify for blame if they made any difference.
     
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    One person decided to go full r **** and invade a neighboring sovereign country because of "nazi-ism" which is now "satanism"

    The entire world voted to tell you to get the f out...

    So get the f out.
     
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    The Ukraine invasion is wrong as can be... the Russians reason for it can be argued all day...... but yes, our deep state is involved.. we are throwing unaccounted funding and supplies at it....
    ""the Russians view NATO on their border as an act of aggression and a threat to their national security, and we have known this for decades.""

    The Russians claimed the US was funding biolabs close to their border.... and then we find out after all the media coverup and our own government lying to us.... US was funding biolabs close to their border..... one might look at that as the same a the Cuba missile crisis...

    And if you want to argue if the US was funding biolabs in Ukraine started under Obama.... give me a holler... I have a boat load... heck even Hunter and the crime boss Joe Biden had their dirty little fingers in the pie... documentation shows Hunters involvement and a little digging by the GOP in Jan may well show VP Joe was involved... I would love to connect the dots for ya....

    Don't forget..... Deleted online information never actually goes away.
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    ""The US does not have the strength to resist the Russians.""
    That statement is debatable... as I have been brought up to believe the Russians are a foe that is to be feared.... What I have been selectively fed in the media footage, they aren't that tough... they have nuclear threats.
     
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    You can also ask the Afghans. Let them tell how the Taliban go to Moscow and assure the Russians of their friendship. They also ask the Russians to return with economic interests. The Taliban are ready to provide the Russians with all the conditions for the development of minerals in Afghanistan and guarantee all kinds of assistance.
    By the way, the Russians will (maybe have already begun, or will soon begin) construction of a gas pipeline through Afghanistan.
     
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    He should have said that the Russians always manage to take back territories stolen from them. They will this time as well. The Baltic nations must be trembling and rightfully so, seeing what's going on in Ukraine after they too have been holding the Russians there in an apartheid condition.


    The force of winter has always been part of Russia's strategy. They deliberately take it into account as they did this time.


    When there are satanic symbols everywhere, then what is it other than 'satanism'? Nazism was always part of satanism, thus the crooked Cross.


    Not the whole world. Only the US and its satellites. When Washington gets out of the 100 plus countries it is attacking and bombing, then Russia will get out. Anyway, how can you tell a country to get out of land that is part of it?

    Also why should Russia follow a 'rules based order' which was conceived by the West for the benefit of the West and to the detriment of the rest of the world?

    I know, I know, you're probably losing your investments in Ukraine. Too bad! I guess you underestimated Russia - but then again so did Napoleon and Hitler. Big mistake!

     
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    The vote was 143-5. So ya. I guess "not the whole world..." lol.

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    Only the nations that fear reprisals from the West. None of the Bric nations feared going against Washington, and they're becoming quite a force. Saudi Arabia will be joining. Then it's bye bye American dollar, and we have only our government to blame - and it's too late to change that. It took decades to destroy our respect in the world and confine ourselves to bullying and blackmail, and nothing we can do now will undo it.
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    Bye bye to our chunk of the pie.
    For our greed was too much
    and so now we will die.
    - Jeannette


     
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    Do you ever marvel at how much **** you are full of? lol.
     

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