More children dead! More thoughts and prayers!

Pretty sure, the comment from the doctor referenced a .22 rimfire. The Biden comment is absurd. Can the little people protect themselves and their family with the same sort of bullets used to protect him and his family? A .22 rimfire could with a head shot provide a self defense capability, but it would be a terrible choice for a self defense weapon. How many police use a .22 rimfire? lol

Biden has obviously never hunted a deer or larger game animal in his life. In my State a .223/556 shot in an AR or anything else is not legal for deer hunting due to to a lack of power.

 

What is your point?

 

Biden - lying, or talking out his ass
Biden supporters - don't know any better, and don't care

 

The doctor sure could have been referencing a .22 rimfire cartridge. But one must be specific about cartridges, not just bullet diameter. A .22 short, .22 LR, .22 mag, FN 5.57, 5.56 NATO, and .22-250 all use a bullet that is essentially .22 caliber. But the terminal ballistics of all are VERY different, especially when you start mixing up barrel lengths and bullet weights/construction.

Yes, .22 LR for defense isn’t great. And even .223/5.56 is on the VERY low end of the spectrum as far as muzzle energy compared to other center fire rifle cartridges.

The whole Biden bit I quoted was a demonstration of his ignorance or dishonesty (or both). Nine millimeter is also very low on the spectrum of muzzle energy for pistol cartridges. It certainly doesn’t blow the lungs out of the body. LOL.

Furthermore, his comments on cannons are patently absurd. Anyone who could afford a cannon could most certainly buy and own one or many at that time. These nuts certainly need help from weapons experts as well as historians. Probably experts in ethics as well. LOL

 

no. No it doesn’t but you have no evidence to support that fabrication.

 

If my memory is correct Biden once recommended double barrel shotguns for home defense. I wonder what he thinks the impact of a shotgun does to a person at close range.

 

Yes, he said to violate the law. Here is one time he said to use a shotgun to commit a crime. Anyone taking that advice would be committing a felony.

Yes, we should be very thankful mass shooters are not using shotguns a lot. That would be terrible.

 

how many of them were armed.

 

it is almost a given those who are anti gun are also morons when it comes to understanding them

 

Yes, there is a strong correlation between authoritarianism and ignorance.

 

Biden doesn't need to understand ballistics. Medical forensics professionals see the effects of ballistics every day. Gun nuts RARELY, if ever, see this. So the only thing Biden has to do is pay attention to Medical professionals and not gun nuts.

 

In this forum it is customary for people who want to jump into a discussion to follow the thread and find out on their own what is being discussed. We don't ask for others for a recap. Each post has a link to trace the conversation back to its origins. If you don't know how to do this, I'm sure a mod will be happy to explain to you how it works.

 

You may want to try attributing quotes to the correct PF member. You have taken my post and attributed it to another member.

The medical professional AND Biden in this case are ignorant. Biden is taking advice from people as ignorant as himself. He even tells people to commit felonies with guns.

You, Biden, and other anti gun nuts need to either educate yourselves or find better sources of information because almost everything you post/believe about firearms is incorrect. Taking advice of ignorant or dishonest “experts” isn’t helpful.

Try and do better in picking “experts” and in following PF rules. Thanks.

 

Just another example of how the (D)ishonest prey upon the emotions of the ignorant.

 

I still don't think a Biologically born Female would have committed this crime.

 

And the worst part is they are WILLFULLY ignorant. The reject the notion decisions and beliefs should be based on accurate information.

They would rather believe an “expert” that says a 9mm blows the lungs out of the body than search for truth.

 

There are nearly 100 times as many children killed per year through inner-city violence in Democrat-run cities like LA, Chicago, NY, and Baltimore... but this never gets mentioned. It's an inconvenient truth that doesn't play into the goal of the politics. I truly believe that what you push, is well intentioned. I really do think you actually care about these Christian children that were killed. But at the same time, you've never expressed any frustration with black and brown children dying in poverty-stricken Democrat cities. So this leads me to believe that your good-nature is being taken-advantage of by Democrat political influence campaigns.

At the end of the day, there's really no question why our founding fathers wanted us to be armed (to be clear, I actually don't own a gun, but I carried one in Afghanistan during my deployment). They knew that an armed populace is a threat to the powerful elite, who would seek to rule and manipulate the populace. The order of the Bill of Rights was not done at random, it was very intentional. The 2nd Amendment was meant to protect the citizen's 1st Amendment.

So this will never change.

 

It’s difficult to follow conversations back when people like you attribute quotes to the wrong member with the supplied PF quote function.

Please take your own advice and contact a mod about your errors.

Thanks.

 

To be fair... -that's- just one troll.
The honest people usually melt away when you present the facts.

 

Fair point.

 

My apololgies to that poster for attributing such nonsense to him/her

I agree. Telling anybody to use a gun under ANY circumstances is pure stupidity no matter WHO says it.

 

And there would have been a better chance that it would have been 100 times minus 7, if we had sensible gun regulations.

Of all the dumb arguments against sensible gun control regulations, the one that boils down to "we shouldn't enact gun control because it doesn't solve all the world's problems" is the most ridiculous of all.

 

That only affects to identify WHO is saying the dumb things. Not what the dumb thing that was said IS. I already apologized to @VanceMack for incorrectly attributing such an idiotic statement to him/her.

 

If you are going to resort to appeal to stone fallacy why don’t you flesh it out a bit. Read the following statement by Biden and then explain why my following statement is nonsense when it simply points out the trauma doc and Biden are incorrect.

As you take advantage of division of labor and market forces to literally PAY me to use firearms on your behalf, you are essentially saying your actions in doing so amount to stupidity. Firearms are tools essential to providing for many consumer items YOU purchase and enjoy. And you are “telling” me to use firearms with your purchasing decisions. You should probably re-evaluate your actions if you think telling anyone to use a gun under any circumstances is stupidity.

I would also point out that’s a very false binary statement. Especially as you actually actively incentivize firearm usage yourself through economic means.

 

Your response is so ignorant, I was debating whether I should even respond to it. I'm trying to determine first, where you are quoting, "we shouldn't enact gun control because it doesn't solve all the world's problems," from. Was there a particular post where you saw this?

If you're asking me... I think it's important that you understand WHERE people come from in what they believe. I would probably guess / assume that you're not particularly fond of how our system of government is structured. I can't be sure, but my guess is you'd rather see a system of government similar to most parliamentary systems in Europe. But that's neither here nor there. On the 2nd amendment front, supporters believe that there is no amount of deaths that would warrant restricting gun ownership. I do not own a gun, but I too fall into that category.

It would be a false equivalency to suggest that somehow you care more about the deaths of children, since there have been on average, 1-1.2 million abortions every year in the United States (many of them late term). So my guess is that you support gun control for all equally ideological reasons (unrelated to child death) the same as those who support gun ownership.

I also want to call out your "common sense" argument. Common sense is very subjective, and if this administration is indicative of anything relating to "common sense," then I would suggest that perhaps you do not have any.