Colorado teachers union passes resolution declaring capitalism 'inherently exploits children, public

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    Colorado teachers union passes resolution declaring capitalism 'inherently exploits children, public.

    One wonders if these idiots understand that their organization wouldn't exist without capitalism.
     
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    Is the bar to become a teacher now so incredibly low?
     
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    No its not.
     
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    Just for clarification purposes, do you see regulation as socialism?
     
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    How do you define wealth? Technically wealth is defined as the accumulation of economic resources that can be measured in terms of real goods or money value.

    A $1 bill will buy you anything that cost that much even though that may the only $1 bill you have. But the guarantee of that $1 bill is not congruent with the wealth you have. And wealth is a very subjective term. But wealth or lack thereof is not going to make that $1 bill more or less valuable, just means what you can purchase with it.
     
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    Unelected government bureaucrats hand down rules that hamstring business. The rules can cover most any aspect of business including occupational safety, environmentalism and most any issue you can name. "Some businesses are more equal than others." That means that companies on the right side of government, often influenced by which companies gave money to what political party.

    During the Trump administration some of these ruling were scaled back and it benefited the economy. Now they are going again, but not on a level playing field.

    Control of private industry and special favoritism to certain companies is the essence of fascism. This is the new socialism. Even the old socialists learned that complete government ownership and control was a nightmare. There was simply too much data to process and too much government required hands on operations to make the old socialist system workable. Government regulation and favoritism for the "pet companies" is the new socialism. Only stupid communists, like AOC and Bernie Sanders, think that the old government ownership model can work.

    Check out the messages on these boards about how many billionaires are going to the Democrat Party and ponying up to the Biden re-election campaign. They are buying favorable regulations from the government for themselves in the future.
     
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    YOu are not describing where wealth comes from. You are describing a political argument against taxation, which is totally different and has generally nothing to do where wealth comes from.
     
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    Personally, I don't think you know what socialism truly is.
     
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    All government regulations is based on the laws that were passed by Congress on the very particulars. For instance, IRC 61 defines income and provides several categories of what that income may include. The 14 or so regulations under IRC 61 of those different categories of income further explain and define by the regulations of what they mean specifically and how it is calculated. And when it comes to regulations, it is not just beaurocrats, it is with the cooperation of private businesses as well through the public scrutiny of proposing regulations for that particular law in question before they become finalized. We have a process of how regulations are proposed and finalized into law under the CFR. It is in the link below.

    We have an excess of regulations, and I get that, but any regulations is not socialism in the least bit.

    https://www.regulations.gov/learn
     
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    Government control of every aspect of your life and most all of your earnings and property. In return the government is supposed to give you "security."
     
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    No, it's the way that you guys take power, but you won't own up to it until you have the power. As for Congress passing laws, they have abrogated their responsibility and turned it over to the bureaucracy. For Democrats that's the easiest way to do it because the draconian measures never make it to the headlines.
     
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    Which government? The government that has the most control on your day to day life is not Washington DC, it is the local city council, the zoning board, and so forth.
     
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    LOL. So you are upset because someone else told you no on what you can and cannot do?
     
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    For those wondering why the teachers unions in Colorado and Texas as so radically progressive, there are two reasons. First, the teachers know those states are not that far in the future away from politically tipping towards the Democrats, so they feel they can influence the future. Second, a lot of young progressives became teachers in expensive big city areas in California and realized they could not really afford to buy homes there, so they moved to other states like Colorado and Texas.
     
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    Wealth is the accumulation of material goods.

    Wealth is dug out of the earth. You can't name an example of anything material that was not lierally or figuratively dug out of the earth. Metals and oil are mined. Farmers work the earth to mine sunshine, and no manufacturer on the planet uses unearthly material for production.
     
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    Washington takes far more of my money in taxes, and when Washington puts the hammer down, the local governments cave. That's the system you want. So the more it becomes a reality, the happier your are.
     
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    Public education is socialist by nature. People need to give up on public schools and pull their kids out. Stop handing your children over to these filthy bipeds with teaching degrees. You wouldn’t loan your car to the same people you freely hand over your children to.
    Public education is an utter failure and teachers unions have capitalized on parents’ ignorance.
     
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    Ah, nope.
     
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    Did you catch tonight's 60 Minutes, reporting on a slaughterhouse cleaning company, that employed kids as young as 13-- over a hundred of them, that were discovered, working in numerous slaughterhouses, in 8 states?
     
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    I am not sure why a teacher's union would be voting on such a thing, but anyone who is aware of history, could not deny that this is an absolutely true statement. Capitalism, in its pure form, focuses wholely on making money. Its goal is maximizing profits, and historically this has meant seeing workers as a cheap, replaceable, resource, and so not spending anything more to make sure their working conditions are safe, than they were compelled to. There is also zero concern for worker financial well being: wages are attempted to be kept as low as possible. The same for natural resources-- there, only to be exploited-- and pollution: not going to spend a nickel more to reduce, or to prevent, or to clean it, than they are forced to.

    Recognizing these facts, however, does not automatically make one "anti-Capitalist," @Darthcervantes . It could just mean advocating for ways to address the destructive tendencies of amoral Capitalism, run amok. While their list is perhaps a bit expansive, many of the things on it, are undeniable: for instance, that it is the Capitalistic drive for profits, that has incentivized oil companies to oppose efforts to reduce global warming.

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    A final version of the resolution that was passed states that "CEA believes that capitalism requires exploitation of children, public schools, land, labor, and/or resources. Capitalism is in opposition to fully addressing systemic racism (the school to prison pipeline), climate change, patriarchy, (gender and LGBTQ disparities), education inequality, and income inequality
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    Without any controls or compensating mechanisms, we have seen the way business will exploit workers, as in Carnegie's steel mills, where hazardous conditions led to horrific accidents, the victims of which were just brushed away & replaced. To prevent workers from taking unauthorized breaks, the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory, locked the doors to their fire exits. When a fire broke out there, in 1911, workers were trapped inside. Though they occupied the 8th through 10th floors of the building, some workers jumped out of the windows, rather than be consumed in the flames. 146 workers perished, a fair number of which, were children, as young as 14.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fire


    So anyone who does not realize that the profit motive can have pernicious side effects, just has not been paying attention.
     
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    greedy Corporatism is killing Capitalism
     
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    It doesn't say how children are exploited. Arguably the entire Christmas season is a giant exploitation of children's emotions to extort parents into buying the latest and greatest must have plastic crap.
     
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    this is the future, like it or not...

     
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    It’s been low for a while. When I was in undergraduate school, in the late 1960s, the dumb football players, who were flunking at everything else, tended to end up as education majors, frequently elementary education majors.

    The trouble is most colleges are dominated by leftists now. The business schools, which used to be the last bulwarks of moderation or conservatism, must also have gone leftist. The numbers of CEOs who are taking their companies woke is astounding. Investment funds, like Blackrock, are more concerned about their social, racial and environmental scores than earning a return for their investors.

    Conservatives were outcasts when I was in undergraduate school at a comparatively conservative school, the University of Delaware. If you went to some place like Columbia, you pretty much had to be a strong leftist, even back then. Now the pressure to be woke now is overwhelming.
     

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