Colorado teachers union passes resolution declaring capitalism 'inherently exploits children, public

Capitalism does exploit children. They use children all around the world. They pay them a few pennies a day. These children mine for minerals and work in sweatshops so Americans can buy cheap ****.

Not so much in this country, though.

 

Phhhtt! I was a carpenter. The purpose of OSHA is to support OSHA. Their only funding is fines last time I checked. You wouldn't beleive some of the ridiculous fines.

Cord wood? No, capitalism and a free market pay based on merit. That's what the leftists fears. They know they are underachivers and can't compete on a level playing field. So they get third party use of force to twist the playing field in favor of one party to the detriment of another in what was once a mutual agreement based on free will.

That's what communists hate- fee will.

 

OSHA has some very silly rules, but OSHA exists due to the quantity of preventable accidents that were happening in the workplace.

Look into the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire. That’s one of Way too many examples of employers giving zero ****s about employee safety.

I was in charge of a company OSHA program for a manufacturer for about 10 years. Passed two surprise inspections with no violations found. It’s not that hard.

 

No, but it’s the far left’s ideal. If Bernie Sanders called for it, it would interesting to see how many Democrats would say, “No, that is too far.” Your party is a monolith. Decent is discouraged or worse.

The fact that you are PO’d at me shows that this nonsense is not beyond a possibility. You people move incrementally. What seemed ridiculous a few years ago is now embraced.

Who would guessed that biological men winning in women’s sport world be accepted? Who would have approved of men In women’s bathrooms and locker rooms? Now you are labeled as a bigot even if you only question it.

 

Also, it sucks kids out of school.

It's less of a problem here, because we have regulation against child labor, to head off that kind of damage from capitalism.

 

I'm not pissed at you. I just want fair argument. I'm tired of the "communism" bomb being tossed as if it is an argument.

I haven't commented on the sports thing.

I HAVE pointed out that LGBTQ is a biological reality and that the attempts to teach that it doesn't exist is an assault on kids who have nonbinary members of their own families and the families of others as well as those who are working out their own sexuality.

It's time to stop the hate and bullying over issues that an individual can't change.

 

False. I actually know a community of teachers and not ONE played football. Do you know why? They are all women. Don't even lie. There are so few men teaching in public schools it's a whole other issue. The number bear it out.

No, colleges are dominated by people who like to think and find new ideas and concepts. Conservatives, by nature, don't do that. They keep things the same. That's in the very name, conserve. It has less to do with politics and much more to do with the types of people who enjoy the type of work that happens on college campuses, which isn't education, it's researching new ideas. Education is a secondary objective of colleges.

If you want better teachers, pay them like you do top talent and you'll get them. You still get great teachers who love to do it, but funny how CEO's don't get paid because they love to do their jobs.

 

Wrong, if you don't pay someone and they labor for you, that's called slavery! And we have to have minimum wage laws because believe it nor, capital colludes against labor. I know, shocking!

 

That's my experience, too.

Plus, the implied claim is that schools are failing to attract strong teachers - which is an indication of problems in state education - low salary, problems with job descriptions, laws on what they are allowed to teach, or even SAY, etc.

 

People voting for laws you don't agree with isn't the same as authoritarianism. That's called not getting your way every time you cast a ballot. That also has a term, it's called the democratic process.

 

It is most certainly NOT based on merit. Capitalism is about making the most money possible. That doesn't equate to pay based on merit. In fact, one can easily find examples of highly paid professionals underperforming.

As for OSHA, they only exist because profit motivates people to take too much risk with human life. Denying that would be silly, it's happened so many times over and over it's insane really.

As for Communists hating free will, who cares? There is no communism in this country. You know how I know? Because the communist parties in the US whine about it all the time. So do the socialist ones. Because we don't have socialism.

 

You misread. Not working because nobody will hire your dumb kid for $10 when the kid can only do $5 worth of work an hour ain't slavery. It's blacklisting.

 

You said the real minimum wage is zero. A wage is only paid for work. If you meant to say you don't hire someone because they aren't good enough, then it's not me who misread. It's you who mistyped.

As for your complaint about the true value of work, I suppose one could argue why waste a job on a dumb kid? Why not pay a fully functional employee that ten dollars? What's the purpose of hiring a dumb kid to do the job for 5? Could it be to make more money...?

 

Look- minimum wage is $10 per an hour.

The kid can only do $5 worth of work per an hour.

Nobody is going to hire the kid at a $5 per an hour loss.

The kid is not working. He is making the minimum wage- Zero.

 

I got that part of it. So why do I care if the kid works or not? I don't.

 

Well then! Maybe I don't care if you get priced out of the workplace either!

I care about kids. If you can't get your foot in the door you can't develop working skills.

 

The left hates Western culture and capitalism.

 

You know that blacklisting suggests that there is a list, right?

 

WTF? I never made that claim John. I simply said that taxation is simply a price we pay for a civilized society. I did not say what that rate is. If you want to discuss what the rates should be, then start another thread and make your proposal like a reasonable chap.

Look, no one likes to pay taxes whether it be income, property, sales, excise, etc. But the alternative is far, far worse. And all you are opinionating is Sovereign Citizen conspiracy ****.

But getting back to the topic of the OP thread, what Colorado teachers think of capitalism. Since there are different versions or aspects of capitalism, and taxation is not a part of that definition, I would suggest you understand what the word capitalism actually means in all aspects rather than use it as a buzzword.

 

LOL, western culture has been doing taxation far longer than any country on this planet, including ours. Our personal taxation is far less than what is in Germany, that's Western culture, UK, that's Western culture, France, that's Western culture, Italy, that's Western Culture, etc. The only European country that has far less taxation than us are Hungary and Russia, both of which are oligarchy capitalistic nations.

 

So you are arguing that teacher unions are capitalistic systems?

 

Until the private consumers start managing their own unsecured debt better, save a little more, etc, then yes.

 

What is far worse? Not making the politicians in Washington wealthy? Not getting us involved in foreign wars? Not allowing them to determine what car, refrigerator, stove or dish washer you are forced to buy?

Another person in you movement described conservatives as “bullies.” Who is the bully when bureaucrats in Washington dictate standards, no knowing how meaning those standards can be engineered or what effect it will have on the quality or safety of the product will be? The Washington bureaucrats are the bullies. They dictate what people have to do with no discussion and no legislation.

 

I seriously doubt your 'misunderstanding' of his point. I would suggest that you knew exactly what he meant, as did everyone else.

And more data to support his point: MinnFed stunned, stunned to find minimum-wage hikes hit the poor the hardest.

Everyone knows that increases in minimum wage, cuts jobs, cuts hours and lowers wages in the aggregate.

'The minimum wage increase led to 28% fewer retail jobs than researchers would’ve expected from a similar city during the same five-year period. By this comparison, Minneapolis also saw a 20% drop in hours worked and a 13% dip in aggregate worker earnings.'

But, the privileged Gentry got to virtue signal their 'compassion'.

'Across St. Paul’s restaurant industry, the city’s 2018 minimum wage hike was responsible for drying up nearly one-third of available jobs, the study found. In “limited-service” (fast food) restaurants, both hours and earnings fell by more than half after the increase took effect.'

No with a brain was actually surprised. This outcome was always as predictable as the rain.

How is it in any sense proper for our public schools to evangelize for opposition in school children to our Free Markets?

 

What's wrong with that? In Australia we have an apprenticeship program where young people who aren't going anywhere academically can get a position in a trade. It's a far better option than those kids getting saddled with student debt they'll likely never be able to pay off. The employer gets cheap labour, the student gets valuable experience and many of them go on the mines once they come of age and earn big bucks.