Let me see if I got this straight....

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Patricio Da Silva, May 9, 2023.

  1. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why would anyone launch a campaign based on some attribute of a person who is not running against him?????
     
  2. MelshieMaze

    MelshieMaze Well-Known Member

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    Ah, all fair points there.
     
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    It WAS for sexual abuse. Nobody claimed it was for rape. Not me, not the OP. That birthirism was a huge part of the start of Trump's campaign is most definitely true. Which leaves me still wondering about this "initiation" ceremony that you say you went through.
     
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    Because he was the President! The face of the Democratic Party before we knew WHO he would be running against. And having been one of the most successful presidencies in the last 50+ years, Trump was most definitely running against Obama at that point.
     
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    He loves the poorly educated! All conmen do.

    The worst part is when you point out to someone they’ve been conned, they’re too ashamed to face that reality so they turn around and get mad at you.
     
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  6. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why would anyone do half the crazy sh*t Trump has done.

    I dunno, ask him.
     
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  7. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    He spend a lot of time and energy harping on Obama's birth cert.

    Call it whatever you want,
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes, it was for all the questions on the verdict questionaire, of which one is sex abuse.

    See question #2
    https://www.scribd.com/document/644110955/gov-uscourts-nysd-590045-174-0-1#

    Trump harped on Obama birth for quite a spell, call it whatever you want.
     
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  9. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    You can call it whatever you want. early on, he was obsessed with Obama's birth cert, hinting that he was born in Kenya, and then he wanted to see his college tanscripts, see, it's like you can't be black guy and achieve. Donald Trump, prior to his presidency, promoted the false claim that Barack Obama, the 44th President of the United States, was not born in the United States and was therefore ineligible to hold the office of president. This conspiracy theory, commonly referred to as the "birther" movement, gained significant attention during Obama's early years in office. Trump was one of the most prominent voices pushing this unfounded claim. In fact, he was vocal about it even before launching his presidential campaign in 2015.
     
  10. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    "womens privacy issue'= abortion issue

    That's what I meant.
     
  11. StillBlue

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    2 and 9 incorrect..
    2: I expect him in bankruptcy court by the end of.the year, not a billionaire.
    9: 2 women may not be correct, it could be more. It would be better to say 2 women that we know of.
     
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    Call it whatever I want? Lets instead prioritize accuracy.

    You can say in 2010 he was a leading voice demanding his birth certificate and still be accurate. You can say he was a birther and still be accurate. You can say he wanted to see his college transcripts and still be accurate.

    You can not say he summoned the devil and still be accurate. You can not say his first act in office was to open an FBI investigation into the birth certificate and still be accurate. You can not say his campaign was founded on the notion that Obama was born in Kenya and still be accurate. It is as simple as that.

    The claim in number 1 is such a nonsensical exaggeration and would have clearly been a moot point by the time his campaign came to pass, that it is rated a big fat lie.
     
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    Actually if you believe in the Devil, you can say that and you may or may not be wrong. You can neither say definitively he did pray to the devil nor that he did not.
    I personally think not, that his only divinity is himself..and maybe his eldest daughter. He just pretends to.attract the support of other charlatans living off the easily fleaced.
     
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    To accurately make that claim one would need proof of such. It is not a discussion of what anyone could possibly imagine in their head as to what might have taken place.
     
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    To be fair, it was technically Hilary who suggested he wasn't American-born, but then afterwards Trump just hopped on that train and rode it for the longest time. The irony comes in when Trump was questioned about his tax returns and possibly being ineligible, which is basically karma.
     
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    Non sequitur.
     
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  17. MelshieMaze

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    Just adding some context to that whole debacle, that's all.
     
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    A tangent that changes the subject is not context.
     
  19. MelshieMaze

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    But I wasn't changing the subject...
     
  20. FAW

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    The subject was whether or not the statement "Founded his campaign on a lie that Obama was born in Kenya" was true or not.

    Your response that is in question to that subject was "The irony comes in when Trump was questioned about his tax returns and possibly being ineligible, which is basically karma."

    How exactly does that help to determine whether or not his campaign was founded on Obama being born in Kenya? It does not. Hence, you changed the subject.

    A tangent that changes the subject is NOT context.
     
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    Oh no,.it is easily imagined that he is that way. What should be difficult is to pretend he's a charitable person. A man who promotes his.egomania for decades suddenly becomes a follower of Jesus? Shame on anyone that suggests that.
     
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    Honestly, I have no idea what you are talking about.
     
  23. MelshieMaze

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    Does it really matter? I was just saying that because I thought it was funny how Trump questioned Obama's qualifications, only to have his owned questioned later.
     
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    Yes, it does matter.

    Using non-sequiturs is not an effective means of having a productive conversation. It is best when one sticks to the topic at hand.
     
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    Sorry, can't help you. Its something you need to do for yourself. Good luck.
     

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