A Map of Europe Without Germany

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Which neighbour then should be given the biggest part - or may be all of Germany?

  1. France

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  2. Luxembourg

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  3. Belgium

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  4. Netherlands

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  5. Denmark

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  6. Poland

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  7. Austria

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  8. Switzerland

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  9. Liechtenstein - even if Liechtenstein is not a direct neighbour

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  10. some other country

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    A Map of Europe Without Germany



    • https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/337-europe-without-germany/
    In that case: Which neighbour then should be given the biggest part - or may be all of Germany?
     
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    This is alternative history :)
     
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    Liechtenstein - even if Liechtenstein is not a direct neighbour - I voted for it :)
     
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    I vote for Australia.

    We would be very friendly overseers and love a bratwurst and beer.

    Well...give us Bavaria, at least.
     
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    Australia - or Austria?
     
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    Luxembourg plans:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg_annexation_plans_after_the_Second_World_War
     
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    Now:

    2 votes for:
    some other country
     
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    Selfkant was a special case:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selfkant
     
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    Curious case:

    Switzerland did not annex Büsingen, even though Büsingen wanted to be annexed.

    https://www.outono.net/elentir/2023...e-of-a-german-town-surrounded-by-switzerland/
     
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    Come to think of it, these Kaufman or Morgenthau maps are not a pleasant subject. Rather sinister, really.

    On the lighter side:
    Do you know cases where countries are missing from maps, be it because of some mistake, or just for fun?
     
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    @ Maps without New Zealand: The worst offenders revealed



    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/m...ffenders-revealed/HW32WBPWOOWOVX5CVMOZQDMTEQ/
     
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    How East German Maps Made West Berlin (Almost) Disappear



    https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/513-then-we-take-berlin-when-east-ate-west/
     
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    Latest info is that the "Mad King" Ludwig was actually ahead of
    his time. Going especially by his projects at Neuschwenstein (sp) and Bayreuth he was obviously trying convert his province into Disneyland which would certainly have headed off WWI and II
     
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    The Jewish people didn’t want that. They wanted to spend their lives in perpetual war. I can’t fathom being so bound to text that is 4,000 years old. Madness.
     
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    I would go for Italy, because then we would rule Rome without a war and France Karl der Grosse, Aachen as Capital and Rom. I think that would be perfect
    Karl would love it. Install a German Pope and it would be perfect.

    The Great Germanfrenchitalo Empire

    Just think about the Football Team, World Champion for ever.
     
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    I have been led to believe that the Swiss have a bit of a reputation for elitism. They are like the club that everyone wants to join, because they are so selective, about who they let in.

    Granted, this was an impression gathered from an Italian film, many years back, called "Bread & Chocolate"-- not to be confused w/ a later film with a very similar name (Like Bread and/for Chocolate, I think that one was called). In the film, Italian & Eastern European immigrants to Switzerland, competed with each other to win permanent status, on their Swiss jobs, which would then allow them to stay, and even bring their families; whereas those who didn't, were forced to leave.

    IOW, Switzerland could be thought of as akin to the U.S.A., of that part of Europe-- with Eastern & Southern European immigrants depicted not unlike those who come across America's southern border; except that Switzerland was also "scrupulous," as you say, about making sure all the rejects, were put on trains, heading back home, out of the country.


    Does any of that hold true today, in your estimation? Again, the film was made about 45 years ago (which is when I'd seen it), and it was a comedy, not a documentary. But I had assumed that there was a fair amount of general truth to it.
     
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    I think there is a lot of truth in it!
     
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    German is both a language and a nation. Although it's true at times in history other nations were carved up by surrounding great powers. (For example, Ukraine between Russia and Poland, but in that case they are all slavic countries with related languages and ethnicity)
    It would be much more extreme for that to happen to Germany though.
    Remember that before 1871 (relatively recent in European history) existed as separate German states that had never been unified. (Well, partially unified in a haphazard way under the Holy Roman Empire, and long before that under Charlemagne (but that did not even include the eastern part of modern Germany).

    The "Age of Nationalism" (beginning in Europe between the late 1700s to early 1800s) pretty much guaranteed that Germany would emerge as a modern nation. It had profound effects on shaping the map and borders of modern Europe.
     

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