Common sense gun control

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  1. bobobrazil

    bobobrazil Well-Known Member

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    i dont see future events....im sure it will be a struggle when people switch to pistols for defense they wont be unarmed
     
  2. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Whatever you bet - you will lose.
    The right to keep and bear arm is not subject to means-end scrutiny.

    (1) Since Heller and McDonald, the Courts of Appeals have developed a “two-step” framework for analyzing Second Amendment challenges that combines history with means-end scrutiny. The Court rejects that two-part approach as having one step too many. Step one is broadly consistent with Heller, which demands a test rooted in the Second Amendment’s text, as informed by history. But Heller and McDonald do not support a second step that applies means-end scrutiny in the Second Amendment context. Heller’s methodology centered on constitutional text and history. It did not invoke any means-end test such as strict or intermediate scrutiny, and it expressly rejected any interest-balancing inquiry akin to intermediate scrutiny.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/20-843
     
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  3. bobobrazil

    bobobrazil Well-Known Member

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    founders never envisioned a time when walking down the street would be so dangerous to survival, as i said i believe the general health and wellnes of the citizenry trumps all else, even second amendment
     
  4. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    so you admit that honest people will be handicapped for some time if your scheme is implemented. I don't think anyone can deny that
     
  5. bobobrazil

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    yes reduced to pistols rather than 1911 45 s
     
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    gun banners often pretend the supreme court's interpretation matters not-but they refuse to acknowledge that if there was only the language of article one section eight and the bill of rights, there is no hint of any gun control power suggested for the federal government to have
     
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    uh the 1911 45 is a pistol
     
  8. bobobrazil

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    being a semiautomatic they also have to go especially with the new mods that make machine pistols out of them
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Give what time to what?
    BTW, this notion was specifically rejected in Heller vs DC. Standard of strict scrutiny in SC case review. Short of an amandment, you areout of luck.
     
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    "All bearable arms".
    This --specifically-- includes handguns.

    Common sense dictates the recognition of the fact the Constitution, necessarily and intentionally, takes certain policy choices off the table.
    If you aren't willing to accept this, you aren't interested in common sense.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    You have no rational or factual basis for this.

    Common sense dictates the recognition of the fact the Constitution, necessarily and intentionally, takes certain policy choices off the table.
    If you aren't willing to accept this, you aren't interested in common sense.
     
  12. bobobrazil

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    my prediction go down the road a piece no, im not even interested in todays gun debates you are right "common sense" includes all the daily deaths as a health and wellness issue
     
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    I specialize in working on 1911s. Educate me on what new mods convert one to a machine pistol?
    Like to make thingsup?
     
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    do some reading and learning about the founders please and turn off the RW junk
     
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    that's idiotic. 1911's have been around for over 100 years-I know, the one my grandfather (DSC, Purple Heart, Croix de Guerre- Captain, AEA, France 1917-1918, ) carried was made around 1915. Are you confusing revolvers with pistols?
     
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    look up autosear
     
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    Thank you for confirming you have no rational or factual basis for your claim.

    Tun off the left-wing junk

    Common sense dictates the recognition of the fact the Constitution, necessarily and intentionally, takes certain policy choices off the table.
    If you aren't willing to accept this, you aren't interested in common sense.
     
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    you mean the founders who never gave even an iota of gun control power to the federal government? howe about your do some reading about firearms and stop embarrassing yourself by not understanding that most pistols are magazine fed semi automatic firearms
     
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    Why don't we just round the criminals' guns up now?
     
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    how many cases of those are used on 1911 45s? have you ever shot a 8 shot 1911 in full auto? do you understand its a federal felony to modify a semi auto?

    you want to ban all semi autos-
     
  23. bobobrazil

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    i havent watched TV for decades but ive read history by the hundreds of books since the 70s
     
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    I've never even heard of a fully automatic 1911 in decades, recoil and magazine capacity are both contraindicating for such a conversion
     
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    Thank you for going out of your way to demonstrate you have no interest in common sense.
     
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