Austin Orders Renaming of Bases that Honor Confederate Rebels

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  1. FatBack

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    This is true they constantly call us racist country and stolen land and all of that jazz.

    But then again the Indians said that man cannot own the land so that means it's not stolen land because you cannot steal something someone doesn't own!
     
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  2. Lil Mike

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    And it continues...

    These Southern National Guard Units to Toss Confederate Battle Streamers

    Contemporary National Guard units that were a part of the Confederacy and waged war against the United States during the Civil War will have to relinquish their battle streamers from guidons this year, according to an internal Army memo reviewed by Military.com.

    The move is consistent with recommendations from the congressionally mandated Naming Commission, a committee formed to examine the Pentagon's references honoring rebels who seceded from the United States, largely to preserve and expand slave labor.

    At least 48 units from mostly southern National Guard units have been directed to remove Confederate battle streamers from their units' guidons, which serve as ceremonial flags often held by a soldier in a formation. Streamers hang on top of a unit's flag and are awarded for participating in wars or specific battles ranging from the colonial era to the Global War on Terrorism. In total, there are 491 streamers set to be removed.



    Interesting that these units had these streamers all this time and now it's an issue.
     
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    I am fine with it. This process of naming and memorializing really has zero to do with 'teaching history'. You can learn more with an article in wiki than you do these bronze encraved paragraphs at its a lot more objective. Yes I realize thats a very low bar, but....
     
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    Bit by bit we are erasing our own history.
     
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    Erasing our history diminishes our national pride and leaves a vacuum that the leftists plan to fill and remake the nation in the their radical way.
     
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    I don't think this is right. While the south may have been wrong about slavery, these were just warriors who happened to live on the wrong side of the line. They should be judged as warriors (including their significance), not for where they came from. One could argue that the South really should have become its own nation, and it was wrong of Lincoln to sacrifice lives to keep them.
     
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  7. Lil Mike

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    Well I find it interesting that the current generation, 150 years after the Civil War, is more traumatized about it than the generation that actually fought it. Both sides actually wanted to reconcile at that the time and worked hard to do that. Now we want to throw that away. Weird.
     
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    I have no problem with this whatsoever.
     
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    Ft Rucker is now named Fort Novosel, after a Medal of Honor winner. "Mother Novosel" just doesn't have the same ring as "Mother Rucker".

    I wonder what DC will be named when someone realizes George Washington owned slaves. The next generation will probably know nothing about him. The wokists will have future generations believing that the Constitution and the Founders never existed.
     
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    Kendi DC?
     
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    That is the point. Break down traditions, a national set of morals, etc., and then re-invent it with a lot of fantasy cult rubbish. It is not just Communists who aim for that, giant multi-national corporations also have a vested interest in that destruction. Look at the list of them who signed up to support the BLM thuggery, calling for assassinations of police officers and other BS.
     
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    Oh, they have to change DC also. As it is named after the leader of the Genocide, Columbus.
     
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    Lincoln didn't start the Civil War over slavery. He said so himself. He also didn't keep it a secret why he started it.

    "But what am I to do in the meantime with those men at Montgomery [meaning the Confederate constitutional convention]? Am I to let them go on... [a]nd open Charleston, etc., as ports of entry, with their ten-percent tariff. What, then, would become of my tariff?" ~ Lincoln to Colonel John B. Baldwin, deputized by the Virginian Commissioners to determine whether Lincoln would use force, April 4, 1861.

    "You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would be advanced by making the attempt to provision Fort Sumter, even if it should fail ; and it is no small consolation now to feel that our anticipation is justified by the result. "
    Abraham Lincoln, in a letter to Gustavus Fox, May 1, 1861

    "We have no doubt, and all the circumstances prove, that it was a cunningly devised scheme, contrived with all due attention to scenic display and intended to arouse, and, if possible, exasperate the northern people against the South.... We venture to say a more gigantic conspiracy against the principles of human liberty and freedom has never been concocted. Who but a fiend could have thought of sacrificing the gallant Major Anderson and his little band in order to carry out a political game? Yet there he was compelled to stand for thirty-six hours amid a torrent of fire and shell, while the fleet sent to assist him, coolly looked at his flag of distress and moved not to his assistance! Why did they not? Perhaps the archives in Washington will yet tell the tale of this strange proceeding.... Pause then, and consider before you endorse these mad men who are now, under pretense of preserving the Union, doing the very thing that must forever divide it." ~ The New York Evening Day-Book, April 17, 1861.
     
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    Really this is the first push back I've seen.

    Army Wants Confederate Names Gone from National Ranger Memorial. Retired Soldiers Object

    More than 100 retired U.S. Army Rangers signed a letter sent to Congressional leaders to "strenuously object to the defacement and desecration of the National Ranger Memorial."

    That's how those veterans describe the decision to remove from the memorial the names of Rangers associated with the Confederacy.

    The May 23 letter the National Ranger Memorial Foundation sent to Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and U.S. Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Ala.), chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, doesn't mention the names targeted for removal.

    But an April 28 letter retired Brig. Gen. Joseph Stringham, the foundation's chairman, sent to fellow Rangers says Col. Colin Mahle, garrison commander of Fort Moore (formerly Fort Benning) directed the foundation to remove four names from the thousands on the memorial and the pavers leading to it:

    — Confederate Col. John S. Mosby

    — William Quantrill

    — George Bowman

    — Jackson Bowman.

    The directive is based on the September 2022 final report the U.S. Department of Defense Naming Commission sent to Congress, which recommended removing names associated with the Confederacy from U.S. military assets.
     
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    Changing names on a military base is not all that big a deal really. Silly and stupid, but not a big deal.

    But removing the names from memorials? Oh, that is a huge deal.

    What next, going through all the Veteran Cemeteries and battlefield memorials and removing them there as well? When does the insanity of something over 160 years ago end?
     
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    I assume that yes, they will destroy all Confederate cemeteries and memorials.
     
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    At which point I will not simply complain but actually take to the street and demand it stop.

    To me, memorials and cemeteries are sacrosanct, and I do not care who they are made to. I myself have given reverence to the Japanese that have fallen in battle against the US. There are still German cemeteries in France dedicated to their fallen in WWII, and if I had visited Europe I would pay my respects there as well. And they are maintained by volunteers, even though the country was brutally occupied by them during the war. It is about paying respect to the fallen, nothing more than that. It is about honoring the dead, not their cause.

    Each year that passes, the more it seems like we are living in an Orwellian dystopia.
     
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    I would think again about taking to the street if I were you. It's not safe unless you are taking to the streets for establishment approved causes.

    The attack against all things Confederate, but particularly place names and statutes, is to me a reminder of the the Taliban's artillery barrage against pre-Islamic Buddhist statues and ISIS's attack against...virtually every historical site in Syria and Iraq. Their ideology is both total and totalitarian. It's a religious hysteria without supernatural religion, and unfortunately, without the rules of a supernatural religion.
     
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    At least they're reasonably good names - I had expected that they'd rename them "Fort Trayvon Martin", "Fort George Floyd", "Fort National Security Agency", "Fort BATF", or "Fort DNC" lol
     
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    This will never happen but still...

    Ron DeSantis vows to ‘restore’ the name of Fort Bragg in North Carolina

    During his Friday night keynote speech in Greensboro at the North Carolina Republican Party State Convention, Ron DeSantis pledged to bring back a controversial name to an in-state military base.

    The Governor said he looked forward “to as President restoring the name of Fort Bragg to our great military base in Fayetteville, North Carolina.”

    “And thank the people that have served there. And they’re proud of their service there. It’s an iconic name and iconic base. We’re not going to let political correctness run amok in North Carolina,” DeSantis said to cheers.
     
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    Bragg was a poor general hated by most of his Confederate countrymen. Included in the few exceptions was, ironically, Confederate President Jefferson Davis.
     
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    Its a VERY big deal to those whose careers began there and whose memories of comaraderie and brotherhood are deeply rooted there. "Mother Rucker" will live forever in the minds of Army Aviators as will the name "Benning" live in the minds of Paratroopers, Rangers, and more. I know it will in mine.
     
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    Fantastic analogy between ISIS and the wokist's efforts to destroy our history. SPOT ON.
     
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    My West Point Class of 1975 50th Reunion is scheduled for 2025. Many of us are wondering if Lloyd Austin will have the guts to show his face.
     
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    I haven't read the thread but I can tell already that posters are going to make too big a deal out of this. It was a political process by which those names were given to honor these people, and it will be a political process by which they will possibly change those names and remove that honor. These decisions kinds of decisions do not represent some irrevocable bond or commitment that binds the hands of tomorrow. Every new generation gets to do what they damn well please to ensure that their govt property reflects their values. If values change, then they change!

    This has zero to do with the teaching of history because those names do not do any teaching. That will happen or not happen in the curriculum of schools. If you want the civil war taught in such depth that these names are covered in schools, then go down to the school board meetings and press for more history classes. If you want your local library to provide more books covering these figures, then go to your local library and request that they acquire those books. If you want a physical space devoted to civil war history, then push to get a museum to create an exhibit! If you personally want to learn more about them, look them up online.

    That folks, is how we teach and learn history,and that is how you posters who are worried about lack of historical education, can lobby for more.
     
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