Do you support reparations for blacks?

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Do you support reparations for blacks?

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  1. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

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    There is a database of parliamentary papers with detailed lists of the names of all of the slavers compensated. £16b in today's value was paid to these wealthy families.

    The first stage of reparations should be recouping this sum of money and putting it into a fund
     
  2. Esau

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    Richard Dawkins estate was built from the proceeds of his families slave plantations.

    Richard Dawkins, in full Clinton Richard Dawkins, (born March 26, 1941, Nairobi, Kenya), British evolutionary biologist, ethologist, and popular-science writer who emphasized the gene as the driving force of evolution and generated significant controversy with his enthusiastic advocacy of atheism.
     
  3. Turtledude

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    this is about the USA dude
     
  4. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

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    This is about reparations for slavery. Do keep up.
     
  5. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    In the USA-I couldn't give a damn about other countries
     
  6. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

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    So you don't give a damn about this subject. Also I'm well aware that Americans think the world only consists of one nation. You're not interested in this subject really, are you..
     
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  7. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    That is not what I said.
    I haven't made a statement about who owes what to who. Mostly I have as questions, but I do not believe racism solves racism.
    I have been a civil rights advocate since joining the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association in 1969. I have been an activist in Ireland, the US and Guatemala. I have put my life on the line, been wounded, imprisoned and I still write for an Irish news Pblication called An Phoblacht, writing often about rights injustices often drawing death threats. In my home country, I am considered bpeing a member of the lowest class of people that have faced oppression from the priveleged class and many of those seeking change historically were sipped off to America, the West Indies, and Australia penal/ Slavery colonies by the very people responsibe for bringing 70-80% of slaves to America before the 1830's. Are those people owed reparations? Should Britian pay up for it's state sanctioned Slave Trade? What of the Native Americans that lost their lands?
    There are a lot of major historic injustices. Who all owes who what?
    I believe thecall for reparations somewhat fuel by the Democratic partyis a bait and switch to get votes for an idea they know will never pass in this country. What the push for reparation will do is deepen the racial divide.
    Without objective crieria to determine who was harm by who and an objective calulation of reparations, how are reparations recipients to be determined?...by the color of their skin? Gee, isn't that called racism?
    I do believe a solution for racism in this country can be developed, and it is my belief it will be found in education and in a growing movement focused on ending the Digital Divide, something I have been actively advocating since the 1980's.
    So, tell me, what is my complicity in perpetuating racism other than asking qjestions.
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't support any legislation that favors one group over another based on race, because that is the very definition of 'systemic racism' and a violation of equal treatment under the law.
     
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  9. Esau

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    It's a good job reparations has nothing to do with race then.
     
  10. Esau

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    Those Irish you speak of weren't enslaved. They were serfs. I'm surprised you don't know that.

    The penal colonies in Australia were for criminals, bothe Irish and British.
     
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    For purposes of this thread, it does. Read the title.
     
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    My bad. I think the op overlooked the meaning.

    Of course there are black ppl in America that won't get any reparations, because they are not descended from ppl held captive in America for hundreds of years but there will be those who are so technically you're correct, not EVERY BLACK PERSON IN THE WORLD WILL RECEIVE REPARATIONS.
     
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    Well it is the OP who sets the topic, after all. The topic of this thread is to answer the question posed: "Do you support reparations for blacks?" Answer: No I don't, for reasons stated. You might consider starting your own thread if you want to explore a different topic, rather than derail this one.... or don't. IDC
     
  14. Esau

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    Ok thanks, I'll give it some thought. In the meantime I'll repeat again since you didn't read it the first time: there are black ppl in America that won't get any reparations, because not EVERY BLACK PERSON IN THE WORLD IS DESCENDED FROM THOSE WHO WERE TAKEN CAPTIVE AND TORTURED, MUTILATED AND MURDERED FOR 300 YEARS BY THE WHITEMAN.
     
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    I read it the first time, but disregarded it because it is off topic. The topic of this thread is "reparations for blacks". I do not support them, because that would lead to systemic racism in governance that should seek to be more colorblind, not less.
     
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    So do you agree with reparations for folk who are descended from those taken captive in America by the WHITEMAN for 300 years?
     
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    I do not agree with reparations for black people, because that would lead to systemic racism in governance that should seek to be more colorblind, not less.
     
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    no mention of race in the deal..What about reparations for folk who are descended from those taken captive in America by the WHITEMAN for 300 years?
     
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    I will not participate in derailing this thread. The topic of this thread is reparations for black people. You cannot decouple race from that topic, because it literally is the topic.
     
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    "Regarding Reparations and the continuing of the ?democratic Party’s ongoing push to exploit and propagate tribalism, hate and the increasing divide between Americans…. One word….STOP."

    That’s what you said. A display of credentials does not negate the above opinion and your opinion was not asking questions.

    First, African Americans are members of the Democratic party. They are not useful fools of the party like many racists accuse them of. 90% vote Democrat. They have power in the party. They run cities and police departments. They are members of Congress. They are not being “exploited”.

    Second, their culture was also damaged by slavery and the subsequent racism, segregation and lack of civil rights post emancipation. The results of that history still linger. They are quite aware of it and some of the non-Black crowd are dismissive of that history. But one party respects Black opinion and is not dismissive of them.

    Indeed, implementation of righting past grievances will be difficult and those that are ignorant of, dismissive of or deny their history will say things like any compensation is racist, divisive or propagates tribalism.

    For what I said about reparations see #196.
     
  21. Esau

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    Psst, I don't think the op meant every black person on planet earth.
     
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    Nor do I.

    If you want to discuss a topic other than why I don't support "reparations for blacks", start a thread and I may participate. I have made my position on the OP clear: I do not agree with reparations for blacks, because that would lead to systemic racism in governance that should be seeking to be more colorblind... not less.
     
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    a question that he and other fans of systemic racist nonsense known as reparations is this: who was originally responsible for selling African blacks to European whites

    and the corollary

    are blacks in the USA better off than their closest relatives in Africa
     
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    I would think that question to be at the core of determining whether an individual would have cause to sue for reparations.
     
  25. Esau

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    I've told you before what happened in Africa. It's entirely irrelevant to what happened in America though. The white scramble for Africa would have resulted in whites enslaving the whole continent and killing every last black man their if it wasn't for the courage of the black man and woman to fight and survive.

    You or I will never know what Africa would have been like had it not been for colonialism so you're point about "where is better, Africa or America?" Is moot, plus "better" is entirely subjective.
     

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