Trump is ticked off, and it's easy to see why.

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  1. JohnHamilton

    JohnHamilton Well-Known Member

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    No. Truth.

    The Democrats are abusing the FBI and the Justice System. It is the mark of a banana republic, which what the Democrats want. Something like Mexico, which had the same party in power from 1929 until a couple years ago.

    You guys can take out Trump and get away with it, but if you go after the next Republican president for nothing, the game, I hope, will be over. Who knows how brainwashed the young generation is? When their life and the lives of their kids go down the tubes, maybe they will wake up, the “new woke.”
     
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    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, no. Why would you ask such a crazy thing, given that I never stated or implied anything remotely like that?

    I'm saying Biden didn't tell anyone to grab classified files. His staff packed up a few by mistake.

    In contrast, Trump directly ordered his staff to pack up a whole lot of classified files, and then hide them in various places.

    Intent absolutely matters in law, and it's wildly dishonest to claim that the intent was the same in both cases.
     
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    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Criminals and those who support criminals often attack law enforcement.

    You're like the momma in the courtroom, wailing that her murderer "baby" shouldn't go to prison because he was set up by the evil cops.
     
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    How do you pack up classified documents by mistake? Are they not clearly marked? Do you think staffers packed them of their own accord?
     
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  5. JohnHamilton

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    I don’t care for Trump, but I do care for the freedom that this country has stood for. It has not been perfect, but it has been better than most. You can throw it away because you have been taught to do so by false prophet professors, but I will oppose you. I know you think I am stupid, but some day you might understand.
     
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    WHY SO MANY PEOPLE DON’T TAKE THE TRUMP INDICTMENT SERIOUSLY: “Oddly, the bureaucrats at the National Archives took the unprecedented step of weighing in on the case, as reported by CNN. I’ve done a bit of digging and I was unable to find a single statement from the National Archives about Joe Biden’s mountain of classified documents scattered around the country in various locations. Nor did they weigh in on the controversies surrounding Hillary Clinton’s private email server back in 2016. But for some reason, they felt compelled to jump on the dogpile surrounding Trump. So be it, I suppose.”
     
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    Don't you think it would be more appropriate for you as an outsider to be a peacemaker instead of what you are? The general rule of thumb during a contentious time as this is, "if it doesn't concern me, both sides are better served for me to lurk." It's a bad look when some of the loudest voices on the matter are foreigners. If you wish to weigh in at a time like this, it should not be to antagonize. Please consider making the voice you have here to be a positive one.
     
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    Trump does not do emails, he does Tweets or Truth Social.
     
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    Trump took the documents when he left the WH, period. And then kept them, tried to negotiate them, and a whole bunch of other shenanigans. And when it was discovered through the valid search warrant, he was not president then.
     
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    This is a similar argument of "the dog ate my homework."
     
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    Democrats may be like the dog that caught the car and doesn't know what to do with it. I think Trump may be the only major Republican Joe can beat.
     
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    Defending tRaitor tRump in any way is antithetical to preserving The United States. You are using tRaitor tRump arguments when you attack institutions of OUR Government. No one in OUR Government is doing anything but their job. TRaitor tRump has beat everyone to the punch when it comes to providing evidence against him ... self.
     
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    Our Nation of LAW's demands tRaitor tRump be held accountable for HIS actions. No matter how the cases against him fall.
     
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    You keep pretending one crime excuses another.

    We don't excuse a murderer because some other murderer got away with the crime. The law doesn't work that way. Is what it is.
    But unless your argument is going to be that NO crime can be prosecuted because someone got away with the same crime, then
    your argument is crap. We can't just sit back and let one President after another flaunt government secrets. Trump just happened to
    brag about his actions and flaunt the law so openly that it couldn't be ignored. This all occurred because Trump openly claimed he was
    above the law. And Trump can still run for President even if convicted.
     
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    No, not like Mexico, but also not what it should be. There are way too many snouts in the trough. The rich and powerful get away with too much.
    What does this mean? Trump may well be guilty of a crime, so you don't know they went after him for nothing.
     
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    Do you have any opinion about whether he should have deleted 30,000 emails and destroyed devices under subpoena?

    If you would have had a d in front of his name he would have been cleared by the FBI long before now
     
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    Nope! Sorry but you are wrong wrong wrong!

    Firstly this is an international forum - see all the different flags at the top?
    Second - doesn’t say “Americans only” anywhere
    Third although more active than most this is hardly Twitter and I don’t have 2 million followers so all I am really doing is stirring those who are n here because they like the debate and finally I like reminding some Americans that there is actually other countries, we are watching and our governments are not your governments
     

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    The rule of law is the opposite of a banana republic
     
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    Aaaah! The aptly named “hot air” once again

    NARA did not “weigh in” because in the other cases there was complete co-operation. Hillary was investigated - more than once
     
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    Fake News. Hillary destroyed all her records with bleach bit even though they were under subpoena.
     
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    Of course he is. A politically driven one at that.

    I dont even like Trump, have never and would never vote for him.

    The witch hunt started as soon as he announced his candidacy.

    It has never ended.
     
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    Lol.

    The mental and logical cart wheels required to try to defend hypocrisy is astounding.
     
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    If you look at what’s occurring in the context of reality, and without emotional hysteria, Biden is not persecuting his opponents. His rhetoric isn’t even persecutory towards Mike Pence, Ted Cruz, any declared candidates, or even Donald Trump for that matter.

    I don’t think Biden is doing this, because Trump declared his candidacy. The DOJ is doing this independently of Biden, and Trump was indicted based on a jury’s recommendation.

    If you study autocrats and dangerous authoritarians, like Stalin, Hitler, or even Putin people like that were in the political fringes, engaged in political terrorism, and were against their nation’s political system. Stalin and Hitler spent time in jail for their political activities at one point. Once they got into power through violence and destroying the former system of government, these people then “clean up” by eliminating political detractors and disloyal politicians, who may threaten their ability to govern without democratic levels and balances.

    Biden’s attitude and political career does not follow that trajectory. Some of those aspects like the fear of disloyalty and eliminating people for disagreeing, sound more like Donald Trump. Trump fired people, caused shock waves, and agencies were drastically unstaffed. We’ve never had a president act like Donald Trump before, and we never had a president break as many laws as all Trump did. Unfortunately, he got elected and he shouldn’t have been elected. He’s the kind of politician that, the founding fathers warned us about and designed the constitution, in mind, to prevent this person from taking over. Donald Trump couldn’t accept the results of his election loss. I don’t think Biden would ever do something like that.

    Not holding people acceptable for breaking democratic norms is dangerous. The GOP faces an important path in human history right now. Do they keep defending Donald Trump like most of them did through his presidency? Or do they say his law breaking and behavior is not acceptable?

    The sooner the GOP and our country takes the second pass, the safe for our democracy will be in the future. I don’t think Biden is the real threat.
     
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    If Mr. Donald Trump, a number of 'conservative' talk show hosts and many Republican federal legislators are correct and this is nothing but a 'witch hunt' without substance, the most logical thing for Mr. Trump to do would be to demand a speedy trial. He will have the advantage of a judge whom he himself appointed and a jury carefully selected in accordance with the applicable Florida laws. Such a jury, if his contention is correct, should waste no time in returning a verdict of innocent of all charges. The sooner he has this behind him, the better for him.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    Such allegations are commonly made when the more straight forward defense, like claiming the accused is innocent, is precluded by the evidence on record.
     

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