Prepare For Nuclear Winter: Russian Expert Says ‘Putin Has No Choice But To Launch A Nuclear Strike

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  1. Giftedone

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    I thought you liked Bush and that Reagan was your Hero ? .. thus your request seems a bit masochistic .. if you don't mind me saying .. but, I will comply if your request for enlightment is sincere :)
     
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    I was being sarcastic.

    Reagan and Bush are heroes of all thinking people
     
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    None that we know for sure -- only that they have armed themselves with nuclear capable missiles -- which could go live at any moment.

    NATO been Poking that bear for Decades .. now things go to far .. Bear Bite Back. This provocation and subsequent proxy war .. the Azov Nazi being the new "JV-Team" has been a solid disaster .. huge mess .. the USA much the weaker by the day .. bumbling Biden at the helm .. bit of a king of the JV team .. too many to count almost .. Kurds - Al Qaeda - ISIS - Whomever those Jihadist nut jobs were in Libya .. all of the previous a big mess as well
     
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    Some thinking people .. those that think like Apes .. the Neocon Sheeple .. the anti american RINO .. and just the America Haters in General .. which includes most of the left these day .. all joined the Fan Club .. .. Your with the majority either way Dayton ... a good thing for those whose pride is derived from appeal to popularity .. :)
     
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    Meaningless. Virtually every modern missile produced is "nuclear capable"
     
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    Meaningless. Virtually every modern missile produced is "nuclear capable"
     
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    Not meaningless .. Nuclear capable is nuclear capable .. thats what it means. What part of the meaning of "puting nuclear capable missiles on the border" has you purplexed Dayton.

    If Russia did this in Cuba -- the screams akin to child birth from the Pentagon would be heard round the world.. Has the US Historian never heard of the Munroe doctrine ?
     
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    Russians are considering exactly nothing, in Russia nowadays regime electorate does not make any decisions. And you may tell anything to "free thinker" idiots here, but it's obvious, that Russians, if anyone let to decide, not only wouldnt choose nuclear war, but also would not choose conventional war with Ukraine in today's form. And also your selectrorate - bajars who decide in your place, with palaces, yachts, mansions, children in the West even after war started, would not choose nuclear war in replace to live like a kings on your shoulders.
     
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    None of Russia neighbors armed themselves with nuclear weapons, exact opposite happened - all USSR nuclear weapons were delivered to Russia. And US played a big role in this delivery.

    Did not notice, that US somehow control Eastern Europe NATO members. The dictatorial regime of Orbán in Hungary is by fact Russia ally. And no US intervention there...

    No, I'm not, I'm from Latvia.
     
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    None that I know of.

    I thought that when the former USSR was broken up, the former members of the USSR that had nuclear weapons either disarmed or turned them over to Russia.

    To the best of my knowledge, none of the states that formed the former Soviet Union has nuclear weaponry.
     
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    That's what I thought and wrote in my Post # 160. I was thinking of how much of a problem it would be for Russia if any of the former Soviet Republics were to arm themselves with nuclear weapons.


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    Yes, the US has been active in trying to influence countries not only in Central and South America but in S.E. Asia and Europe as well. Russia, China, Israel, Britain, France and countless other countries have tried to influence and exploit other countries either through military action, election tampering, government lobbying and colonizing.


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    Your English is very good. Did you find it difficult to learn?
    Are you happy in Latvia or do you plan on living in a different country?

    I'm just curious.

    Thanks,
     
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    you in Riga?
     
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    ....was just looking at the latest equipment being supplied to Russian troops....this is the custom Russian MT-LB in action.....its from the Pacific Fleet's 40th Naval Infantry Brigade...its got a 2B9 Vasilek 82mm automatic mortar (from the 1970s) and UB-32 unguided rocket pod (this based on a German WWII design) welded on to the chasis which is usually fitted to a helicopter....????? Kots notes that Russian forces have to adapt because of a lack self-propelled mortars in service....

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    it's Mad Max time in Russian MOD...https://t.me/sashakots/40700
     
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    Do you think that the war between Ukraine and Russia is due to NATO's "provocation" or the genuine desire to be independent from Russian rule?

    I, too, have absolutely no confidence in America's current administration's ability to do anything honest, productive or intelligent.

    You mentioned several groups that exemplify Biden's bungling but Israel's lobbies have made sure that all of America's enemies remain the same.

    I can think of no other country whose Foreign Policy is so thoroughly controlled by foreign lobbies than the American government is subservient to the demands of AIPAC and similar Israeli lobbies.

    “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”
    AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003

    We are just as likely to experience a Nuclear Winter if events go sideways in the Middle East.

    Thanks,
     
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    Thanks for the update and that wonderful photo.

    I couldn't stop looking at the photograph fully expecting to see it driven by "Wile E. Coyote" in hot pursuit of "The Roadrunner" in his "ACME" tank.

    Keep up the good work.
     
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    It's just been announced that MAKS 2023, the international airshow at Zhukovsky, has been cancelled....wonder why....
     
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    One of the greatest modern minds says that America is a rogue terrorist state. Maybe the brainwashed politicians need to think about that for a minute, or maybe they're too concerned about their paycheck's from the MIC
     
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    The US did everything possible to start the war in Europe.
    Destroying Russia or Europe suits them.
    The US foreign policy is total domination, it will subject the whole world or it will burn it all trying.
     
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    Whom may I ask are you referring to?
     
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    As I have repeatedly stated and as is blindingly obvious to anyone not deliberately trying to misinterpret my comments (that's you Gifty BTW) my references to NATO expansion were just that, it's expansion. Nothing more, nothing less. Now since you seem to have difficulty understanding that concept I'll explain it to you. The dictionary definition of the English word 'expansion' is something like 'the act of becoming larger'. It is documented historical fact that NATO has, over time become larger as more and more nations voluntarily (note the use of that word) asked to join and were accepted as members.

    You on the other hand have deliberately chosen to conflate the word expansion in my posts with the word aggression. The two words do NOT have the same meaning, not even close. And you know it. In fact it's glaring obvious you think the mere fact of NATO expansion represents an aggressive act in and of itself. Hence the list of countries you provided which have nothing to do with my post about NATO getting bigger.

    Now if you want to argue about the rights or wrongs of past NATO military operations fine, start a threat relating to that topic. But don't be so stupid as to think you can deliberately try to subvert someones post for your own aims and that no-one else on the forum will notice.
     
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    Paid a fair bit of attention to this one --- watch mostly Youtube --- all kinds of experts .. Doug MacGreggor one of my Favorites. ... supurb analysis .. Mainstream media is completely good for nothing .. bought and paid for .. all in the Pro War Neocon Camp -- strictly for business reasons .. that lobby pays well.. .. easy to come up with BS justification .. ..for petting the golden goose.

    And this sure has been an arms show .. like nothing we have seen before --- Missile technology is off the charts --- Carrier Groups have been obsolete for long time due to this tech .. and now see the first of what will be a long history of Clone Wars ---- Drones -- AI ---completly changed the game these two.

    Nato has been poking the bear .. lying their faces off .. acting in bad faith .. for many decades. Putting ABM's on Russia's border in 2008 -- nuclear capable missiles - violating the ABM Treaty .. that we unilaterally pulled out of in 2002. Forced Russia to take counter Measures 1) Subs 2) short range nuclear cruise missiles 3) Nukes in space. Vlad didn't do #3 .. although he would have would he have thought it necessary to re-establish nuclear Detente' and said so publicly . Obama cried like a baby "Russia has violated short term treatly" pics of Reagan on TV for next week .. signing historic agreements .. and its like Sure Obama .. Russia violated it its true .. but you forced them to. .. fkn moron media sitting around realizing this yet commiting this vile sin of omission.

    When US Backed Coup replaced a pro Russian Regime with Pro Western one .. problems started .. Everyone knows Putin is not going to allow Svestepol to become a Nato base .. Double Red Line .. and Putin said .. don't do it .. but .. they did ... then when he took Crimea in 2014 .. all the Nato leaders pretended to be surprised "OMG" what is Putin doing .. why .. why would he do.

    Then the Big civil War .. the Azov Nazi -- with Gov't support persecuting the Ethnic Russians 14,000 civilians dead over number of years of this .. in the meantime .. US starts training up a Ukrainian Army .. some 250,000 K STrong .. well trained .. well equiped .. a force to be reckoned with .. as Russia found out . The Minsk accord was to stop the violations happening to the Ethnic Russians .. Nothing Changed .. and Ukraine- Nato never intended to change .. just wanted to buy more time to build the Army .. which continued -- folks think they were ready to invade the Donbass just prior to Russia starting the Special Operation .. and we know what happened from there.

    There were lots of off-ramps to peace prior to war breaking out .. Biden refused all efforts .. was on the war path.

    Legitimacy of War --- depends on who makes the rules .. was supposed to be UN --- but USA didn't follow .. "Do as we say - Not as we do" foreign policy. Rule is that international sovereignty inviolable .. sans approval from Security Council .. When we annex Kosovo .. breaking the rule .. bad precedent set. Support Israel's breaking of the rules .. bad precedent set.

    Now .. someone else break rule .. and we cry NO NO NO .... you can't do that .. we gonna arm those freedom fighters trying to defend their land.. and I say .. "Good for you .. that is what we should do .. for the freedom fighters in Palestine .. help them defend against the Evil Aggressor .. trying to steal their land .. kill their people.

    Now wouldn't that be fun :)
     
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    He could be referring to me .. I have said as much "Rogue Terrorist State" .. on many levels. Surly you do not object .. being educated in such things ... :)
     
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    I don't care a wit about how you choose to define NATO expansion .. I am talking about how I define it.. but regardless of how either defines it .. your comment that expansion in to non Nato Countries is not NATO Expansion .. is preposterously false.. USA putting a base in Saudi Arabia being one of many examples. and further expansion of Nato influence would include expansion into non nato nations.

    and all this nonsense .. down a rabbit hole anyway . your attempt to tar Russia as some Bad Guy compared to NATO falling on its face .. a failure ..
     
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    No one cares how an America hater like you defines things.
     
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    The word 'expansion' means what it means, full stop end of story and you don't get to arbitrarily barge into someone else's post and change the dictionary definition of that meaning just because it suits your purpose!

    The rest of your 'logic' is equally self serving. If a nation is not a member of NATO then they are a non-member. Upon joining? They become NATO members and NATO itself expands in size. And that's the point I was making in my original post. I did not and still have not said anything about NATO bases elsewhere around the globe. And as for 'tarring Russia'? All I did was challenge someone to explain why all former Warsaw Pact members who were given the chance to join NATO did so after the fall of the Soviet Union. Wheres the 'tarring' in that? If you have an explanation feel free to provide it. (We both know you could but almost certainly wont, still you can!) Just don't accuse me of 'tarring' Russia simply because I dared to ask a question.

    And sadly (for you)? I suspect the only reason anyone would accuse me of insulting Russia for just asking for an answer is that they know the real reason but are too dishonest to say why.
     

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