US to provide cluster munitions to Ukraine.

Somebody's been to the George Orwell School of Elocution.

 

Here's a kraut!

 

So....kobehlah Zakarova says "clusters will have no effect".....I guess you can believe the opposite.

Whatever orcs deny.....the opposite is usually true.

Behind closed doors....drawers are being washed on the "heavy soiled" cycle?

 

Very inaccurate post. First, there is a difference between "cluster bombs" and "scatterable mines". Second, such munitions are not fired at heavily populated areas... at least US forces don't. Our policy is to minimize civilian casualties. That's why "carpet bombing" no longer happens. That's why we have spent billions developing "precision weapons" like JDAMS. The casualties you describe are cause by mines that don't go off. Mines are designed to go off when stepped on, drove over or handled. They there unexploded until that happens. Mines are now outlawed because so many folks came across them after the combat and set them off. Cluster bombs detonate on impact and don't have any of the same characteristics.
40% of bomblets fail to explode is pure BS. 40% of mines aren't exploded is probably a low figure. But we don't use mines anymore.

 

And?

 

Did you graduate or did you just go?

 

I always look at the "has no effect" proclamations as their way of weaseling out of doing anything about another dwarven "red line" being obliterated.

 

I disagree. I think we should be negotiating a peace agreement. Russia is involved in this war with Ukraine for primarily one reason: expansion of NATO right up to the borders of Russia. Russia is convinced the west's intention is to destroy their country. It is absolute insanity to trap a nuclear power in a corner like a rat. That is exactly what the Biden adminstration is determined to do. It is not in our national intrests to consider that every conflict anywhere in the world requires American intervention. Intervention is exactly what Biden and his lackeys want and are turning this conflict into a proxy war to destroy Russia. End this conflict before a full scale nuclear exchange is triggered.

 

And then what? Russia gets their Sudetenland and then sets their sights on Poland or the Baltic States and then the chance of Nuclear war becomes 100%. Also, because this can't be said enough, every country in NATO ASKED to join NATO. Why? Because they are afraid of Russia and have seen Russia invade it's neighbors over and over and over again. Russia brought this situation upon themselves and, as 'Bomber' Harris said about the fascists in the 40's: They sowed the wind and so must reap the whirlwind.

 

Aware of what?
So, You newer was in Donbas, but for some reason You suggest others to go there to get some knowledge, which You don't have yourself?

 

Again, they will not be banned, Russia use them against civil areas right now. Ukraine could use them to protect the country from those, who bomb cities with cluster bombs, but You are against it. In this case, You are the one, who supports the aggressor with pretext of false pacifism.

 

NATO is formed as a coalition for defence, not offence Ukraine is not a NATO member.

 

So what? Any sovereign nation can provide goods to another sovereign nation for any reason. For example, the US provided war material to Britain to help in it's fight against fascist aggression. We are doing the same for Ukraine.

 

The U.S. still uses mines. Rather heavily in fact.

 

Just one mistake, we armed and trained the scum nazis in ukraine. 30 battalions. This entire cluster**k is because of the MIC/NATO expansion. It will be the last.

ukraine is a shithole with a nazi problem. they name streets after nazis, build statues of nazis and have a national holiday to celebrate a nazi.

 

How is this conflict a threat to our national interests?

 

Yep....HIMARS was a red line.....Patriots a red line, Abrams a red line, clusters a red line.....blyat, this isn't working....WTF now??

 

Exact same question these people kept asking.



Self-serving bastards only care about themselves and their interests.

 

"Negotiate a peace agreement"?....you're being funny right?

Dwarfstan isn't interested in "peace"....he's after USSR Part 2.

Finland is now in NATO.....

Is your idea of peace.....giving RuZZia more of Ukraine real estate?....and in 3- 5 yrs when RuZZia goes on an adventure again....we should negotiate "peace " again?

You haven't given this much thought I take?

 

Really?! Russia had no problems with Nazi's before they did. What changed?

 

"It will be the last"

As in how....Bill?

You're short on specifics?

 

I've given it more thought than you apparently have. You must be one of those neocon guys who thinks every conflict anywhere in the world is America's responsibility to solve with military involvement. It's not.

 

There is no US military involvement in the conflict, but will be at one point, if people like You will let dictatorships swallow democratic countries friendly to US. But at this point, the US will be much weaker.

 

There is a REALLY easy way to work out whose objections to the US supplying cluster munitions are worth paying attention to.

If someone has previously objected to Russian attacks on Ukrainian cities/use of cluster munitions/laying of extensive minefields in a nation they invaded in similarly strong terms then they can make some case that they are motivated by some sort of concern for civillians or principle about use of weapons. We might disagree with them, but there is a chance they come by their objections honestly.

If, on the other hand, a person who has managed to ignore what Russia has been doing or only addressed it in the most cursory manner; OR a person who has a record of supporting Russia's invasion can be fairly assumed not to actually care about the impact on civillians or any point of principle. These opinions are worthless and likely motivated by some sort of nasty agenda. Best ignored.

 

Some days ago Russians bombed Liman with cluster bombs killing civilians. Where was local humanitarian activists, no sign from them here, no protests. It's because, by fact, they don't give a **** about human lives.