War by NATO standards

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  1. Destroyer of illusions

    Destroyer of illusions Banned

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    That's because you have nothing to object to.
     
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    Once again, especially for you - "You hired a killer, gave him a target, financed him, trained him to kill, provided all the necessary information, gave him weapons and ammunition.... but you are not involved?"
     
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    We held Saigon and Kabul???? :roflol::roflol::roflol:"Gusty Wind" 1 and 2? :roflol::roflol::roflol:

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    The Russians will take Kiev anytime they want. :nana:
     
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    I'm happy for you.
     
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    Do you recognize it? :roflol::roflol::roflol:

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    Ahahahaha....
    Tell me, where did the adult soldiers of the Wehrmacht go?

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    And by the way, the Russians captured soldiers who fought on Hitler's side from France, Holland, Belgium, Italy, Hungary, Romania, Spain, Finland, etc. 1,1 million citizens of European countries, among them - 500 thousand Hungarians, almost 157 thousand Austrians, 70 thousand Czechs and Slovaks, 60 thousand Poles, about 50 thousand Italians, 23 thousand French, 50 thousand Spaniards. There were also Dutch, Finns, Norwegians, Danes, Belgians and many others.
    Hungary during the war on the Eastern Front lost 810 thousand people, Italy - more than 100 thousand, Romania - more than 500 thousand, Finland - more than 100 thousand.

    Most Russian casualties were civilians who were killed by the occupiers. For example, Hitler's Ukrainian punishers killed more than 100 thousand civilians in only one place - Babi Yar. You can read about how the punishers killed children old men and women.
     
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    The answer is in the post to which you responded.
     
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    No the reason is the repetitiveness of your writing.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If the Putster manages to get the band back together, how does it impact your life?
     
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    Those appear to be some blown up armored vehicles, but I cannot tell what kind they are, when or where this happened, or any other context. However, since you are clearly implying that they are Ukranian vehicles that were blown up by the orcs, even if you are right, it's a war, and these things happen. Some of the things I was taught as a US Army officer were considered to be successful if HALF your unit survived, like assaulting a machinegun nest that was reinforced head-on. However, I have heard of little to no ops that had that sort of casualty rates in the US military during all of the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts, to the contrary our casualty rates were much, much lower than they had been in other historical conflicts.

    So, bottom line, sh*t happens, and even if this picture is real, and is what you're suggesting... So what? Combat isn't a video game, and you don't have respawns or a reset button.
     
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    Why do you label the Ukrainians as "killers"? It isn't like they invaded another country like the Russians did.
     
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    Ukrainian funny counteroffensive, destroyed "leopards", "Bradleys", demining vehicles...

    Come on over. And show, what you can do. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    You're calling Americans murderers? They have invaded many countries and killed millions of people in those countries.
    At the same time, the former presidents of Germany and France, Merkel and Hollande, openly admitted that they were preparing Ukrainians to attack and kill Russians in Donbass and were preparing Ukrainians to attack Russia. They openly admitted that the Minsk agreements were just an excuse to further arm Ukraine.
    And other example - the U.S. attacked Iraq under false pretenses, for example. Colin Powell lied at a UN meeting that Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons.
    Another example - the US bombed a sovereign country in the center of Europe, Yugoslavia, despite a direct ban on this from the UN.
    Are you calling Americans murderers?
     
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    If I were 10 years younger, even 5, and more importantly, less disabled and with the right organizational structure around me, I'd probably do so. Right now, I'd just be in the way. But I see a unique opportunity here, that is by no means guaranteed but is somewhere in between possible and likely, and that is to neuter Russia or the Soviet Union, or whatever they want to call themselves once and for all. I mean, we already know their units are junk, their NCO corps, the single most important part of a professional military is all but non-existent, and even their junior officers aren't worth spit, when you've got Generals out there inspecting tank treads, and losing their lives in the process. Without their nukes, they are nothing militarily, and now the whole world knows it, so if we can neutralize those weapons, or they are smart enough to realize that a loss is better than total destruction and will restrain themselves on their own, they can be taken out and we can put a more freedom oriented democracy in place that will be friendly to it's neighbors, and make a shitton of money selling their oil, though at this point so many of their fields are shut down, it's gonna be years.

    But, with the shadow of the Soviet Union done and gone for good, the world will forever be a better place.

    As for your picture, even if it's everything you claim and more... Doo-doo occurs, and even our forces would be taking casualties. Let's hope it doesn't come to that, but if it ever did, expect it to be a quick mop up for real, but not for your team.
     
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    Ahahaha... :roflol::roflol::roflol: Russians have a good saying - "A bad dancer's and balls get in the way."

    For example. During World War II, a Russian boy, Sergei Aleshkov, received his first Medal of Combat Merit at the age of six.
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    Another example - Vasily Talash was born in 1844, and in 1944 (he was 100 years old) he received the Order of the Patriotic War of the 1st degree. He was a partisan. He fought against the Nazis.

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    And even The best Russian tanks have proven to be garbage. The only systems Russians have that are remotely comparable to western ones are air defense systems and thats because there leaders figure they'll lose any air war with Nato within hours, because there radars and missles and more importantly ECM and ECCM aren't up to snuff.
     
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    Russian tactics hope for a cold winter and throw men at the enemy with no reda4ge for the soldiers life. Not that great. How is your little conflict going by the way? Seem to me the other Russian tactic is to send in tank with inadequate support run out of fuel and walk back home. I love that one.
     
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    That would be because the damn Nazis kicked your ass so hard early on that you had to fill your out fits with about anything that moved. And you tactics were basically artillery four three days and charges and rely on attrition that favored the Russians because there were a hell of a lot more Russians than german. Unless you start drafting Chinese you don't have the numbers to make the WWII strategy work against Nato.
     
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    No. The United States is fully justified in all of those attacks.

    The U.S. did not know the reasons for invading Iraq were false.

    And technically DID possess chemical weapons. Old, leftover ones but chemical weapons they were not supposed to have nevertheless.
     
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    Yes, yes. That's why the Russians increased their territory by five new regions.:roflol::roflol::roflol:
    You read first how the Russians easily destroy the Patriot. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Anyone with a brain knows - the Russians have increased their territory by five new regions. But what did you do?:roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    And they did it without ever having to fight nato.
     
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    Calm down, take a laxative and listen to an American song. :roflol::roflol::roflol:

     
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    Ahahaha...

     
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    First your picture looks like a fraud. No one operates Afv's that close together, nor is there a patriot anti missule system in that pile of debris. One of the tanks looks vaguely like an older model of an Israeli AFV. The picture contains another vehicle that vague resemble either a world war !! M-3 grant though the picture quality is so poor that it is possible the it could be an early model US Infantry carrier. From Around 1980 or so. Damn hard to tell much about anything about most of those vehicles given the quality of photo it could be a picture of a highschool kid's diorama. That certainly is not tactical formation that any decently trained combat team would assume/
     

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