On the anniversary of the shameful flight of the American and British military from Afghanistan

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  1. Destroyer of illusions

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    Here everyone is moaning about the fact that summer is over, and the two-year anniversary of the shameful flight of the American and British military from Afghanistan passed completely unnoticed against the background of this universal groan…
    The Americans together with the whole of NATO very Afghanistan in which they “fought" for twenty years, killed a bunch of people, including their own, “lost” a hell of a lot of American taxpayers' money and changed one government consisting of the Taliban to another government consisting of the same Taliban, only more embittered and gained invaluable experience of guerrilla warfare in mountains... with idiots who only know how to burn out the area with carpet bombing and shoot weddings and funerals with Hellfire missiles…
    The Americans together with the whole of NATO fled so much that they even abandoned their largest base in Bagram, along with all the weapons and equipment with ammunition. They ran away so that the collaborators could not keep up with them, falling from the landing gear of American and British transport planes departing home. They abandoned everything and everyone – translators, local service personnel, collaborators of all sorts and stripes, demonstrating to the whole world a long-known fact – as soon as your real usefulness to the American and British gentlemen ceases to outweigh the material costs of your maintenance, you are simply thrown ... as waste material ... slag ... garbage… And no films subsequently made by Hollywood about how a lonely grateful American soldier, with the help of a PMCs, spends a lot of money, takes his savior and collaborator out of Afghanistan, will not cancel the fact that thousands of people were simply abandoned to the mercy of fate (and the mercy of the Taliban)…
    As the famous Russian poet Pushkin said in his immortal lines, “his example to others is science.”
    It would seem that Americans and Britons have shown the whole world, including residents of the neighboring territory, what their real friendship is worth. It would seem that even to the last fool it had to come. But here we are faced with a problem – in Ukraine, Pushkin, along with all his poetic wisdom, was simply canceled and monuments were demolished at the same time, therefore his immortal words fall on the deaf ears of iodine-deficient Ukrians. Who will have to learn from their own bitter experience the lesson repeatedly presented by the West to their loyal hangers–on - as soon as your senseless death in the meat grinder of war ceases to benefit and profit the military-industrial complex of the United States and Britain, you will simply be abandoned. How South Vietnamese collaborators and the same Afghans were abandoned at the time... and they don't care about their reputation – another lost conflict will not change anything in their closed world of “Western civilization". How nothing has changed the flight from Afghanistan, about which none of the British leading media did not even remember yesterday…

    And yes, you can tell me that the USSR also left Afghanistan. He left... because of the traitor Gorbachev. But he left with dignity, marching order, with unfurled banners, and the government of Afghanistan, supported by the USSR, after the departure of the Russians lasted three more years ... and would have lasted even longer if not for the betrayal of the national interests of the country by the same Gorbachev, and then Yeltsin. So don't even try to compare…

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    Vladdie's desperation is getting to a shrill. I take it that 2024 election cycle will be like 2016, Vladdie really needs Trump to be in the WH again :)?
     
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    Ukrainians must be making progress toward Tokmak judging by how busy our resident Putinist propagandist is.

    Now, lets seen how many right wingers just can't resist helping him out.
     
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    It's not politically advantageous for the American left to pretend to care about the plight of the Afghanis under the brutal rule of the Taliban after the Biden admin's disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan.

    If the suffering of the Afghanis could be used as a weapon against Trump, the American left would pretend to care, but Afghanistan is Biden's mess, so they won't even bother to do their usual virtue signalling act and pretend like they care.
     
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    OP …

    … TLDR

    HINT, this isn’t The Book of the Month Club. :roll:
     
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    That shows your lack of knowledge. The U.S. is actively working to get Afghans that were loyal to America out.
    And actually, if it hadn’t been for the optics of idiots holding onto to taxi’ing aircraft the Afghan withdrawal would have been viewed as very successful.

    It should be noted our Command Staff and Troops did an excellent praiseworthy job making the best of a, TRAITOR tRump created, bad situation.
     
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    You just called desperate people scared of being tortured and murdered “idiots” and your only problem with them dying is it made you and your Party look bad.

    Dude. Seriously. There isn’t much I can say to you at this point that won’t get my post deleted but just know you have absolutely zero credibility to talk about any issue ever when you display like this the kind of person you are.
     
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    You are writing a meaningless comment. It is better to continue supporting the LGBT program and other Western values than to write a meaningless comment.
     
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    Yes, yes. Successful.... The base in Bagram was especially successfully abandoned.:roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    America under the Democrats is worse than Germany under Hitler. Even former presidents cannot be safe in the United States, where the fascist junta rules.
     
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    We don't kill our political opposition.
     
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    Tell it to Kennedy
     
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    Dude! Seriously! Your opinion about me … there isn’t anything in this universe I could give a shitLess about. :bye:
     
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    Joe Biden's withdrawal is not seen as successful, because it was horribly botched, and terribly unsuccessful.

    Are you forgetting about these optics, or do you lack the knowledge of what actually happened during Joe Biden's botched withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan?

    Here are the names of the 13 U.S. service members killed
    https://www.marinecorpstimes.com › news › 2021/08/28
    Aug 28, 2021 — Eleven Marines, one Navy corpsman and one soldier were “killed as the result of an enemy attack while supporting non-combatant evacuation ...

    Ten family members, including children, dead after US strike
    https://www.cnn.com › afghanistan-kabul-evacuation-intl

    Aug 30, 2021 — Several children were among those killed following a US drone strike in Kabul: Pictured, at top from left: Farzad, age 9, Faisal, age 10, ...

    Did you forget about all that, or are you deliberately ignoring it, the same as you're ignoring the plight of the Afghanis currently suffering under the barbaric rule of the Taliban because it's not politically advantageous for you to pretend to care due to Joe Biden's abandonment of Afghanistan?

    Two years later, the US has abandoned both Afghanistan and Accountability...
    https://thehill.com › opinion › international › 415342...

    Aug 16, 2023 — A Taliban fighter stands guard as women wait to receive food rations distributed by a humanitarian aid group in Kabul, Afghanistan, Tuesday, ...
     
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    Trump had no part in creating the Afghanistan debacle.

    U.S. officials misled the public about the war in Afghanistan ...
    Washington Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com › afghanistan-papers

    Dec 9, 2019 — This series is the basis for a book, “The Afghanistan Papers: A Secret History of the War,” by Washington Post reporter Craig Whitlock.

    Joe Biden, on the other hand, was in office and directly tied to the entirety of the 20+ years of the perpetuation of the pack of endless lies and wasted taxpayer money that was Afghanistan.

    Trump was the first President that did anything but lie and perpetuate the Afghanistan mess, and he put a plan in place to bring an end to the Afghanistan disaster.

    A plan which Joe Biden subsequently botched horribly.
     
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    Weird, I was expecting a photo of T**** releasing 5000 militants in celebration of the withdrawal of US soldiers in March the next year. Or at the very least signing the accord for all US departure by April, Darn that Biden getting the deal extended to the end of August for people to leave.

    As sad a day as it was no one, not a single person there didn't know when the T**** signed deal was extended to August but after that there would be no more extensions.
     
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    Trump tired to do it right, but the Democrats blocked him, because that's what they do.

    House Democrats, Working With Liz Cheney, Restrict Trump's Planned Withdrawal of Troops From Afghanistan
    Last night, the House Armed Services Committee voted overwhelmingly in favor of an amendment — jointly sponsored by Democratic Congressman Jason Crow of Colorado and Congresswoman Cheney of Wyoming — prohibiting the expenditure of monies to reduce the number of U.S. troops deployed in Afghanistan below 8,000 without a ...Jul 2, 2020

    The Democrats figured they could do the withdrawal from Afghanistan better than Trump.

    And then the Democrats went and botched the job massively, because that's what they do.
     
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    5000 terrorist were released from Bagram air base prisons when Biden abandoned our equipment and airbase which was Biden doings...
    The terrorist was released from Bagram prison on 15 August and was part of the Biden abandonment of the air base and prisoner release... He was part of the Biden release...
    ""The Islamic State suicide bomber who killed at least 169 Afghan civilians and 13 United States soldiers outside Kabul airport last month was incarcerated in Afghanistan’s notorious Bagram prison for the past four years,"""
    https://www.firstpost.com/india/kab...ustody-for-new-delhi-terror-plot-9976961.html
    Leaving 2500 troops was Joe's decision... he had 7 months to make it 13,000 but did not.
    Americans and allies are still trapped in Afghanistan and our own government is not getting them out... private American citizens are... what a disgrace the withdraw was
    operation Pineapple Express
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/scott-mann-patriot-awards-winner-fox-nation-afghanistan-rescue-mission
    project dynamo
    https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/1...ehind-in-afghanistan-hundreds-remain-1177728/

    And let's throw in an innocent man and his 7 children killed on the pile of dead that day when the Biden administration attempted a botched drone strike on an innocent family.... Ask these kids what they think of the Biden screwed up withdraw ...

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    Yep...

    When Bagram Base was abandoned and the terrorist from the two prisons were released and Biden handed over in a treasonous move 80 billion dollars in military "aid" to our enemies.... aiding and abetting...
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-gop-bagram-prisoners-released-taliban-southern-border
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/pentagon-admits-taliban-released-thousands-isis-prisoners
    https://www.axios.com/taliban-bagram-prisoners-release-87ec6885-6930-46d6-9e96-473a252dcf7d.html
    https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/suicide-bomber-kabul-prison/2021/10/06/id/1039416/
    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahb...-suicide-bomber-released-from-bagram-n2597047
    https://www.westernjournal.com/new-...ers-just-released-prison-biden-ceded-taliban/

    ""The Taliban started releasing its own members, ISIS-K followers and thousands of others from the prison after Biden abandoned the Bagram airbase amid the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan.""
    https://nypost.com/2021/10/06/isis-k-bomber-released-from-prison-before-kabul-attack-report/
    US left Bagram Airbase at night with no notice, Afghan commander says
    US left Bagram Airfield at night, didn’t inform Afghan commander.
    https://apnews.com/article/bagram-afghanistan-airfield-us-troops-f3614828364f567593251aaaa167e623
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07...d-at-night-didnt-tell-new-commander/100272238
    https://www.axios.com/2021/07/02/bagram-afghanistan-us-troops-departure-biden

    Trump was not responsible for Bidens release of the terrorist or botched withdrawal..
    Thanks to Joe Biden's actions the very terrorist that killed 13 Americans was released from two prisons at the abandoned Bagram airbase and allowed to travel to Kabul.

    https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021...ase-surrendered-to-taliban-as-kabul-is-taken/
    https://nypost.com/2021/07/05/bagram-airfield-looted-as-us-forces-leave-afghan-base/
    https://nypost.com/2021/08/24/how-prisoner-releases-bolstered-the-taliban-to-victory/

    Aug 27, 2021
    yep it happened
    ‘Thousands’ of ISIS-K terrorists released from Bagram after Biden abandoned it, Pentagon says
    https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...agram-after-biden-abandoned-it-pentagon-says/
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57682290
    https://thehill.com/policy/internat...s-left-bagram-airfield-at-night-didnt-inform/
     
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    It was incredibly stupid of the Democrats to block Trump's plan to withdrawal troops from Afghanistan.

    It was going to be a mess of "bad optics" even if it was done perfectly, and the left could've screeched and seethed and blamed it all on the Bad Orange Man, and they could've had a field day pretending to care about all the Afghanis abandoned and left behind by Trump to suffer under the Taliban.

    Instead, because the Democrats are just dumb as stumps, they just had to block Trump's plan, and it became a matter of "You break it, you bought it."

    And boy oh boy did the Democrats ever break it. Botched the job so bad they smashed Afghanistan to teeny tiny pieces, and now they own the mess they made no matter how hard they try to deny it.

    So now all the left can do is ignore the plight of the suffering Afghanis, and make up a bunch of silly nonsense about how Biden's botched withdrawal was actually a smashing success, and it was only a massive disaster because it's all Trump's fault.

    Pathetic.

    Laughably pathetic.
     
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    I wonder what the Afghani's that fell out of the wheel wells thought of the optics as they were falling to their death?
     
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    Before Dementia took over, Joe Biden was just a regular dumb, narcissistic, plagiarist, bullshit artist. His first attempt for presidency was 1988 but his campaign ended in a scandal for plagiarizing a speech in 1987. His second attempt was in 2008, before he dropped out early but was later named Barack Obama’s puppet VP running mate. Here he’s seen in 2008 bragging about how, as President, he will withdraw from Afghanistan slowly so as not to leave behind Billions of dollars in munitions and weapons to later be used against our children.

    https://twitter.com/bud_cann/status/1698476588029956434?s=20
     
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    Wow, you still just don't get it, do you?

    Nope.

    Tell me about Iran's nukes.

    Oh, wait, the Media hasn't been pumping the "Iran's got nukes!" mantra for quite a few years now.

    Why do you suppose that is?

    Aside from the fact that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program.....oh, wait,....how did the US Media pump it? Oh, yeah, "Iran's nuclear program...." instead of "Iran's nuclear weapons program..." (note the difference) because, that let's the Media sorta tell the truth albeit deceptively since a nuclear energy program is also a "nuclear program" and the Media can hide behind a rock and try to claim they didn't completely deliberately mislead you.

    Americans are dumb but they aren't completely stupid and Americans weren't stupid enough to drink the "Iran's got nukes!" Kool-Aid®.

    If Americans aren't buying into the "Iran's got nukes!" meme then how in the hell is the government going to whip Americans into a frenzy to justify invading Iran?

    And you absolutely desperately need to invade Iran or your MECAS Strategy will fail and if it fails....let's see what your government has to say about that:

    The costs of not implementing this strategy are clear. Failure to meet our defense objectives will result in decreasing U.S. global influence, eroding cohesion among allies and partners, and reduced access to markets that will contribute to a decline in our prosperity and standard of living.

    [emphasis mine]

    https://www.defense.gov/Portals/1/Do...gy-Summary.pdf

    So....how are you ever going to justify invading Iran?

    Think......think........think.....think.

    What is the smart move?

    Withdraw from Afghanistan.

    Why?

    Who's in charge there? Um, that would be the Taliban.

    Now you can conjure up a false flag event and blame it on the Taliban and then you can say Iran and the Taliban were working together and there's your justification for invading Iran.

    Isn't that how you justified invading Iraq?

    Yes.

    You had a false flag event, you blamed it on al-Qaida and then you said Iraq was working with al-Qaida and the "proof" was Iraq had al-Qaida training bases in Iraq and then you invaded and when the "proof" evaporated you said Iraq had "WMD" and drove on.
     

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