It's no longer a conspiracy theory....

All you said was..."Israel is a good starting point". If that isn't vague then I don't know what is. I asked who specifically was behind the attacks? As in names of people. So, based on all this "research" you've done, surely you have names, right? So.....share these names with us.

 

The Jews have been getting blamed for everything by lots of people for about the last two-thousand and fifty years.

 

Dude.... Let it go.... it's nonsense!.

Let me tell you how to spot nonsense easily: Whenever somebody tells you something far-fetched that would require the silence of thousands of people all over the world... Including people who would have NO interest whatsoever in keeping it secret (if it were true), and who might even benefit from banding together and exposing the conspiracy... Whenever you see that, it's nonsense. NO real conspiracy has ever lasted more than... a few months, at best.

Occam's Razor tells us that the simplest explanation is most likely the right one. Why wouldn't 19 terrorists take over 4 planes and crash them? Nothing magical, nothing complicated and no reason why that would not happen. There are MYRIADS of reasons why keeping a conspiracy to hide ... some other explanation.... secret for even a week... not to mention over 20 years would be... not just difficult, but absolutely impossible.

Anyway... not worth the time you are wasting. Just... let it go!

 

Remember when our Bengahzi embassy was attacked by Mohammedans over a B-movie that nobody ever saw or heard of?

That's what they told you. It was a simple explanation. You see liars employ Occam's Razor too.

 

No idea what you''re trying to say. Being attacked for a B movie or being attacked for some other reason is not a conspiracy. It's just an explanation. A "conspiracy" would be to kill the ambassador and then blame it on an attack that never occurred, which would involve the silence of many many people and would be extremely complicated to stage and then to keep secret for long.

Anyway.... we'll just count Occam's Razor among the things you need to study up on.

 

Bless your heart.

Don't read the news much? Reading doesn't seem to be your thing. Here is a video about it-

 

Are you effing serious? No one used nuclear devices on the WTC. Geebus, where do you find this crap? And why do you choose to believe it?

 

I don't need anyone to tell me about that day. I was there. I saw everything, from up close. Too close, ffs. There was certainly no "visual evidence," and the tiny traces thermate/thermite could have been any number of things. This is a very delusional conspiracy theory.

 

I've looked a probably a dozen different supposed proofs pf that over the years. I have yet to see a compelling case made And that is one of the more far fetched ones.

 

I can probably make that argument to 95% of the people 18 years or older, from the hard left to the hard right and everyone in between.

Conspiracy theories has been described as a far-fetched theory that is 5% facts and 95% fiction. It is not derogatory in nature, and even the John Birth Society uses the term as a term of endearment. John Birch Society has embraced every conspiracy theory out there. Furthermore, the main premise of a conspiracy theory is that some secret organization, the deep state, the Illuminati, and others. The more people involved, the greater the conspiracy theory such as we never landed on the moon, aliens are among us, Biden never won the 2020 election, the World Trade Towers were taken down by a rogue group within the CIA, and so forth.

 

Like December 7th 1941, everyone who was alive and cognigent, knows where they were on 9/11/2001 just as every European knows where they were on 11/9/1992.

 

Definitions and etymology are not the same thing as "has been described as..."

 

The first ever conspiracy theory had to do with a particular flower that sprung in the springtime in Europe, like present-day Netherlands and Belgium. And history has been replete with them ever since. Thus, what I wrote was in laymen's terms, and backed up by actual evidence with no ambiguity whatsoever.

But when it comes to 9/11, Trump., 2020 elections, landing on the moon, and so forth, conspiracy theories are just that, theories, usually involving some secret society or person, or even naming the person, like the Rothschilds or Soros, just to name a few. But most of what they propose as a theory does not even prove the theory exists. And that is why the term conspiracy theory is used, with definitions and etymology on the history of the phrase.

 

Sure, theories.

Like Einstein's conspiracy theory of general relativity.

You see it's Einstein's theory, not Einstein's theorum. It has not been proven conclusively and as a matter of fact the latest science indicate it might be incorrect.

The 9-11 investigation presented to congress isn't conclusive either, not in an emperical sense. It might be incorrect. It is likely incorrect IMO.

 

Since this is actually out of the 9/11 conspiracy theory section I will post here. The following is not theory, it's courtroom level EVIDENCE (characterized by the attorneys as dispositive), part of a petition for a Grand Jury investigation.

https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org/exhibits-index-grand-jury-petition/

9/11 was never legitimately investigated by the US government, never mind criminally/forensically/scientifically investigated. The 9/11 Commission Report was a fraud, as were the NIST reports. We have 22 years worth of LIES and I suspect that will not end any time soon. After 19 years of research, there is not one thing I find believable about the official 9/11 narrative. The following are a list of facts I have accumulated about the 9/11 Commission, the 9/11 Commission Report and related issues:

1. The Bush administration is directly responsible for the wholesale destruction of 9/11 evidence, in violation of federal and local law, thus hampering/corrupting any investigation.

2. The Bush administration did not want to investigate 9/11. In fact they (or more specifically Dick Cheney) asked Sen. Tom Daschle not to investigate 9/11 on multiple occasions. Sen. Tom Daschle was a target of the Anthrax attacks that began about 1 week after 9/11. Sen. Patrick Leahy was also a target. The Anthrax attacks killed 5 people and injured 17 others. An innocent man was framed by the FBI for these attacks and another who was also framed by the FBI committed suicide and no one was ever prosecuted. Worthy of note is that Dick Cheney and others in the White House took Cipro (an agent that protects against Anthrax infection) ON 9/11. Also worthy of note is that the Anthrax spores were analyzed and determined to be a weaponized strain believed to come from a US military lab at Dugway Proving Ground in Utah.

3. The Bush administration reluctantly yielded to investigating 9/11 due to pressure from the 9/11 families, specifically the Jersey Girls (4 widows whose husbands were murdered on 9/11). The Bush administration wanted the investigation to only focus on intelligence failures.

4. The Bush administration appointed Henry Kissinger as the chairman of the 9/11 Commission who was subsequently forced to resign due to serious conflicts of interest.

5. The Bush administration stocked the 9/11 Commission with cronies, especially Philip Zelikow.

6. All members of the 9/11 Commission had conflicts of interest and were covering for someone.

7. The 9/11 Commission cut a deal with the Bush administration essentially allowing them to dictate who on the 9/11 Commission could see what evidence and limited the evidence the 9/11 Commission had access to.

8. According to the 9/11 Commission, there are 570 cubic feet of textual records, a large percentage of it classified, presumably inaccessible to the 9/11 Commission itself (see #7). The Bush administration did everything within its power to withhold documents and testimony from the 9/11 Commission. They also did what they could to obstruct the “investigation”, limiting access to PDBs (Presidential Daily Briefs) and even the Commission’s own notes.

9. Sen. Max Cleland, an original 9/11 Commission member resigned as a result of #7, labeling the 9/11 investigation a scam and obstruction.

10. The 9/11 families or more specifically the Family Steering Committee sent more than 400 questions to the 9/11 Commission and the vast majority of the questions were either unanswered or insufficiently answered.

11. Philip Zelikow who was named Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission and had close ties to George Bush, created an outline of the 9/11 Commission Report prior to the first meeting of the 9/11 Commission.

12. Philip Zelikow admitted that most if not all of the 9/11 Commission Report relied on 3rd party relayed torture testimony. The 9/11 Commission were refused direct access to the detainees. One of the detainees who was severely tortured was forced to sign a “confession” that he was not allowed to read. His “confession” was used as key “evidence” for the 9/11 Commission Report.

13. The source of over 25% of the Commission Report's footnotes is 3rd party relayed torture testimony.

14. The 9/11 Commission were lied to by the CIA who told them they gave them everything they asked for but withheld torture tapes which they never revealed their existence to the 9/11 Commission.

15. The torture tapes were deliberately destroyed by the CIA despite a federal court order to preserve them.

16. The Senate Intelligence Committee on Torture report claims that the CIA's torture methods yielded NO USEFUL INTELLIGENCE (see #12 and #13).

17. Page 146 of the 9/11 Commission Report contains a full disclaimer of Chapters 5 and 7 (see #12, #13 and #16). This is effectively an admission by the 9/11 Commission in their report that two key chapters of the 9/11 Commission Report are totally unreliable (and therefore deceptions meant to be promoted as fact).

18. The FBI lied to the 9/11 Commission and Congress when they told them they gave them everything. They were discovered a decade later to be holding over 80,000 pages of documents from their PENTTBOM "investigation" that they never revealed existed. Noteworthy is that the acronym PENTTBOM was the FBI codename for Pentagon/Twin Towers/Bombing investigation. These 80.000 pages of documents are still classified.

19. NORAD and other key Pentagon officials told the 9/11 Commission different stories that were in conflict with each other or outright lies.

20. The 9/11 Commission agreed to interview Bush and Cheney together unsworn, unrecorded and note taking was not allowed. The interview was arbitrarily limited to 1 hour.

21. There is no evidence that the 9/11 Commission conducted any criminal/scientific/forensic investigation in accordance with universally accepted standards appropriate for such an investigation. Especially within the vast scope required by a massive horrific crime such as 9/11 where 3,000 innocent people were massacred and more than 3,000 subsequently died from its toxic aftereffects. Much of the contents of the 9/11 Commission Report is unvetted and/or unsupported by legitimate evidence (any evidence obtained via the use of torture is illegitimate/unreliable - see #16).

22. The 9/11 Commission claimed in their report that "their aim has not been to assign individual blame", thus making a mockery of the "investigation".

23. Eyewitnesses who were to testify to the 9/11 Commission were coached by Soviet style government "minders" prior to their testimonies, thus tampering with, biasing and corrupting the "investigation".

24. Many potential crucial eyewitnesses were never interviewed by the 9/11 Commission. Potential whistleblowers were not granted immunity and therefore many did not testify as a result.

25. Some key eyewitness testimonies, (e.g. William Rodriguez, Sibel Edmonds, Norman Mineta, etc.) were excluded from the 9/11 Commission Report. William Rodriguez testified that there was a massive explosion in the sub-basement of the WTC BEFORE the first plane impacted the WTC tower. He offered the 9/11 Commission a list of eyewitnesses who were with him at the time of the explosion and could corroborate his testimony. None were ever interviewed by the 9/11 Commission and Rodriguez’s testimony was never followed up by the Commission.

26. The 9/11 Commission failed to investigate key events and issues, such as the destruction of WTC7 (unmentioned) and the financing of 9/11, deeming it of "little practical significance" (in direct contradiction to all criminal investigation standards).

27. The 9/11 Commission co-chairs admitted they were set up to fail, starved of funds, denied access to the truth, misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the FAA, did not examine key evidence, claimed the report was incomplete and flawed and that many questions remain unanswered. They also recommended that a permanent 9/11 Commission be established. The Bush administration initially refused a 2 month extension for the 9/11 Commission to complete its work then backed down under pressure.

28. Philip Zelikow had complete control over the final edit of the 9/11 Commission Report and was responsible for keeping the classified 28 pages from the 9/11 Commission. Zelikow fired an aide who wanted to bring the 28 pages to the attention of the 9/11 Commission. The 28 pages were eventually declassified and redacted. The contents of those 28 pages hinted strongly at Saudi royal family involvement. The Bush family had many business ties with the Saudi royal family.

29. The published version of the 9/11 Commission Report in general is similar to the official 9/11 conspiracy theory disseminated as fact by the Bush administration prior to the establishment of the 9/11 Commission.

30. The 9/11 Commission Report was severely criticized by many, especially the Jersey Girls, who were responsible for pressuring the Bush administration for an investigation. "we knew it was a farce, we wanted their words, their lies down on paper" - Patty Casazza.

31. The 9/11 Commission Report is often called the 9/11 Omission Report and because of its breathtaking deficiencies is absolutely unreliable and totally worthless.

32. The 9/11 Commission Report, along with the fraudulent NIST reports are officially held by the US government (and the MSM) as historical fact (i.e. the party line) and have been and are being used as pretext for the US government’s permanent genocidal wars and other human rights atrocities in the Middle East as well as the enactment of a host of unconstitutional legislation abrogating individual rights guaranteed by the Constitution.

“If 9/11 had been properly investigated the world would be a totally different place today.” – David R. Meiswinkle Esq., Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry

 

The theory of relativity has been proven and disproven several times over the years. However, scientific theories are based on observation, mathematical proof, and experiments in which you do observe. Not the same with conspiracy theories who put the conclusion first, and then find evidence and only the evidence that fits their claim and ignore all others. Not the same bloody thing.

https://www.space.com/end-of-einstein-space-time

 

I like your signature quote Bob0627.

Maybe it'll rain before we need to water the tree.

"When in the course of human events..."

 

Prove your theories.

You can't.

Can you prove your official congressional 9-11 investigations findings are correct? Of course you can't, becuse the government version of the story is just a hypothesis of what government thinks likely happened. It's a theory.

You know what I think? I think you just want to attach an ugly connotation to the term so you can use it as a weapon.

 

It was a petition in federal court in which all courts, the trial court, the appeals court, and the Supreme Court all denied the motion to have the AG for NY and the AG for the US to "force" a grand jury to present evidence. And thus it was denied, even by the Supreme Court.

Second, they listed statements, not evidence. They present the statements as fact and is accepted, in general as fact. But even the trial court denied the motion. And thus was denied and thus, those statements will never have the veracity you want. These groups such as the Lawyer's Committee for 9/11 Truth, Engineers Committee for 9/11 Truth, and so forth, the plaintiffs, are all part of the 9/12 Truth Movement.

https://casetext.com/case/lawyers-comm-for-911-inquiry-inc-v-barr

 

Thank you for your characterization of the US government's official 9/11 conspiracy theory.

 

Which theory are you talking about here? Theory of Relatively, or 9/11 or whatever?

That being said, you are free to believe whatever you want to. If you want to believe the government was behind 9/11, you are free to do so. If you want to believe there are actually Klingons, Vulcans, Romulans, or whatever alien is out there, then you are free to prove it.

But the main difference with scientific theories and political conspiracy theories is that political conspiracy theories cannot prove anything based on observation. It is based on opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

So, the number of conspirators grows to the courts that ruled against you? That is just too damn funny

 

Truthers still exist? Wild.

I wonder why they've had such a hard time growing their numbers.

Stupid idiot illiterate George Bush must be one heck of a brilliant mastermind to keep public opinion locked down for so long...

 

Suffice it to say you cannot find that which does not exist.

 

Neither was used. Thermate isn't an explosive and if you'd used a socalled suit case nuke assuming such aren't themselves mythic in nature you wouldn't have needed the thermate.