Is America a Christian Nation? Should America Be a Christian Nation?

My scientific claim is that a baby's DNA is separate and distinguishable from both the mother's DNA and the father's DNA. Science has unequivocally affirmed that the fetus is indeed its own separate individual human. -

-You must be a flat-earther if you think that's ridiculous.

 

Why that is right, my statement also indicated that the moon is made of cheese and Chineese people are short.

How do manage to fabricate this stuff?

 

That's not the question. The fact of the matter is that a fetus is part of the woman.

And, thus the woman shares all healthcare concerns of both the fetus and herself.

 

No, the fetus's tissue, every single cell, is comprised of the genetic material DNA that is separate and distinguishable from the mother's DNA. A fetus is not part of the woman's body and is a separate individual.

What's next?

Let me guess, "The kid ain't human".

 

That is a nonsense argument.

 

That's what all the people who kill their children say.

 

Far too many people have the right to choose about abortion and make the immoral choice to kill a human being for their own convenience. That is but a small part of America's descent into complete depravity. America desperately needs a moral revival, a return to Judeo/Christian values.

 

Amazing how Christians pick and choose only tiny bits and pieces from the "Judeo" part. The "Judeo" part is actually permitting abortions, it states that life does not begin at conception, that the fetus is an integral part of the mother's body until birth, that abortions are not only permitted, but are required when the pregnancy endangers the pregnant woman's health or life. According to Jewish law, abortion is healthcare.

Didn't Jesus say that he did not come to abolish Jewish law?

Extreme abortion laws risk infringing on Jews' religious freedoms.

 

Quote the verses in Exodus that say a fetus is mom's body, please.

 

@Pisa, book Luke iirc, Elizabeth is getting a visit from Mary who is six months less pregnant than her. Elizabeth's baby, who would later be named John, "leapt in the womb" at the sound of Mary's voice.


That indicates fetal consciousness , does it not?

 

I've never advocated for extreme abortion laws nor for any government mandates on abortion whatever. Government can't mandate morality.

 

Then, have you yet explained what you specifically meant, when you'd said that America needs a moral revival? If you have-- no need to repeat yourself; just please provide the link to your post. If you haven't yet-- why not then here, on page 25?

 

Exodus 22-23-24-25
22 “If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

Compare that to Exodus 12-13-14:
12 “Anyone who strikes a person with a fatal blow is to be put to death. 13 However, if it is not done intentionally, but God lets it happen, they are to flee to a place I will designate. 14 But if anyone schemes and kills someone deliberately, that person is to be taken from my altar and put to death.

The punishment for striking a pregnant woman depends on the severity of the injuries to the woman's body, not to the fetus separately.

If the only damage done to the pregnant woman is a miscarriage, the penalty is a fine. Causing a miscarriage is not murder or accidental killing. The fetus is not considered a person, otherwise the penalty would be death or exile.

Abortion is not prohibited before 40 days gestation. After 40 days, abortion is required if the woman's health is at risk.

There are other sources for the Jewish law regarding abortions, if you're interested.

 

Luke is Christian, not Judaic.

I'm not sure if we can talk about fetal consciousness. The fetus certainly reacts to certain stimuli, but so does every living creature.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan of abortions, and I think women should avoid having one as much as possible. But I'm a huge supporter of individual rights, and among those rights is the right of a woman to decide what to do with her body and her life.

 

Well then, we finally agree on something.

 

The "individual rights" you support involve killing an individual human. That's not a right but killing babies is a wrong.,

 

Not sure why you included only the verse numbers and not the chapter number.

I do not see how Exodus 21:12-14 apply.

As far as Exodus 21:22-25, how do figure in that killing a woman's kid ain't injury? Whe cain was born to Adam he said "God has blessed me", not "Where is the dumpster?"

 

Forcing rape victims to have their rapists baby is wrong, but does the bible support it? maybe?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 22:28-29&version=NIV

 

Moral revival has nothing whatever to do with government. It has everything to do with 330 million Americans individually controlling their passions and living righteous lives.

 

I think I may agree with your sentiments but I absolutely do not trust your church.

 

Because declaring a country to be a religion's country is political. Demanding people adhere to a religion's tenets is political.

 

One problem with America becoming a "Christian Nation" is that Christianity is fundamentally authoritarian and anti-democratic.

 

I don't think you know my church. I'm a member of the United Methodist Church Bloomfield CT

 

I meant Christianity in general. I appreciate some of the values Christians push but I do not trust the religious trappings, authoritarianism, inherited sin, vicarious redemption, etc.

 

It is counter intuitive that the born can lay claim to a right to abort. Only the unborn can claim that right. The born may want or intend to abort. But to want or intend are not rights. A woman's body is her own until she sleeps around and conceives. Once she conceives, it is self evident that her body ceases to be exclusively her own.

Chastity is the benchmark for human sexuality. It leads to marriage and to a wanted conception. To abandon chastity and marriage and be promiscuous, leads to unwanted conceptions. To legalize abortion is to justify promiscuity and make a mockery of chastity, marriage, and family. In so doing, promiscuity increases, which leads to more abortions. Ironically, by legalizing abortion, the justification and increase of promiscuity also leads to an increase in out of wedlock births. These out of wedlock births result in Fatherless/Husbandless homes, and the children go out to torment society in all manner of criminal activity, from murder to theft. So the legalization of abortion terrorizes society, increases crime, overburdens social services and law enforcement, cheapens life, cheapens Mothers, Fathers, family, and chastity, and breeds all manner of sexual deviancy, effectively undermining and shaking the whole of society and civilization.

Saying that a womans body is her own in guardiancy of abortion is an attempt to excuse the inexcusable. It does not happen in a bubble. And suiting the promiscuous with the guarantee of abortion, while turning a blind eye to the results of that intention and its far reaching negative effects on our nation, is not unlike the murder of innocence, which pleases the murderer and spreads grief round and about. It is high time that the evil of legalized abortion be ended for good. And that people be held to account for their conduct and choices and bear their own responsibilities in life.