Trump threatens to leave NATO

I think both parties have moved in the direction of 'them and us'. But how will acknowledging that make us stronger and smarter?

 

There is no membership fee in NATO.

 

Its not a we think thing dude. This is not 'Nam, this is international treaties, there are receipts.
They are supposed to spend 2% of GDP MINIMUM on defense.
To my knowledge, only POLAND actually keeps to that.
Everyone else depends on sugar daddy to bridge their gaps.
That needs to stop.

Pulling Article V is a non-****ing starter though.

 

We could choose to drastically reduce our military budget and still be a NATO member.

 

What in the f*** are you talking about????? If we withdraw from NATO do you think we would need to spend more or less on national defense? trump is 100% wrong on this one. Think for yourself ffs!!!!

 

Trump threatens to leave NATO?

I didn't know he was IN NATO!

 

In that post, quote me where I said I would vote for Trump.
Its not there.
Here, these are for you.

Better now? Thinking clearly? Ok then.

Euros need to put up their 2% of GDP in defense. Healthcare spending ain't defense. They need to pull their own weight.

Any discussion of pulling article V is a non-starter, as Nato is ABOUT article V.

 

No, quite a few spend more than 2% and Poland spends about 4%. - more than the US, but they don't pretend they are paying for US

 

I feel like we should absolutely threaten drastic measures to get NATO to smarten up, that said...with the rise of the East we need military alliances now more than ever.

Threatening to leave NATO =/= leaving NATO. But the article 5 thing is a bad call.

 

How do you think NATO is funded? Their constitution requires each nation to invest a certain percentage of their GDP in their defensive organization.

 

https://www.trade.gov/market-intelligence/polands-defense-spending
3% and that's an increase.

https://www.statista.com/statistics...orecast-in-the-us-as-a-percentage-of-the-gdp/
3.8% at our lowest in decades.

Show me any Euro not Poland that spends more than 2% on defense as a percentage of GDP per year.
NB: Healthcare spending, refugee settling, these things are not defense spending.

 

Each country funds IT'S OWN military. How do YOU think it's funded?

Bingo! They pay THEMSELVES. So what "dues" are you talking about?

 

Their dues to pay for their own defense so we don't have to bridge the gap on our dime.
Look at Poland. Poland is the ONLY euro nation in NATO holding up its own end per the agreement. No one else is spending 2% of GDP on defense, and many of those that claim to near meet expectations are padding (Read lying) their "defense" spending numbers with healthcare and other social spending outlays.

 

In that post, quote me where I quoted you saying you would vote for trump.

Better now? Ok then.

You may have noticed how the subject of this thread is about trump and his will to pull out of NATO. If you're only intent was to point out that other euro countries need to reciprocate in defense spending, fine. I agree with that - they should.
That said, we don't have a ton of leverage there. If we pull out, it will cost us more not less. We need global stability.

 

In other words: no dues.

I'm sure somebody has to pay for photocopies and stuff that might be used for NATO as a whole... but I don't think that's a major expense. Certainly not enough to pull out for. Trump just wants his followers to repeat his nonsense because it sounds so "manly" to them. Even though it has ZERO meaning.

 

Poland? 3.9%

US? 3.4%, but its irrelevant. We spend because we want to project power everywhere on the planet, when a country like Poland is only interested in Poland.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/584088/defense-expenditures-of-nato-countries/

You keep saying that to prove you do not understand how NATO is funded. We don't bridge any caps. You think Poland is paying for out defense now that they pay more than us?

 

"Reportedly" threatened according to Rolling Stone?



The only person I've seen working for Russia, Iran and China is Quid Pro Quo Joe, and he's got a Russian invasion of Ukraine, an Iranian orchestrated war in Israel & Gaza and a spy balloon flying over the U.S. with impunity to show for his efforts on behalf of his masters in Moscow, Tehran and Beijing.

 

I'd think the first step to a better country is by the people and FOR the people. And making more people understand where we stand and where our government stands is a MUST DO..

Clearly fighting amongst ourselves is accomplishing nothing but taking our eyes off the real problems.. As long as we keep focusing on government manufactured narratives like race, inequality, partisan politics, and fear propaganda we will continue to focus on each other while Washington elites band together to fleece us like sheep..

Think about it.. Politician are immune to everything happening to us. They certainly worry none about, cost of living, wages, availability of the very best this world has to offer. And in just a few years they are fixed for life and neve do without and have not a worry one ever again financially.

Take a minute and assess what they actually do to earn a life time of Shangi-la while the average American works a lifetime and then worries about the day they can work no longer..

Take this forum as example, all this animosity and what purpose or who does it really serve?

 

That's new this year. I hadn't thought 2023's numbers would be out yet.

3.4% of our GDP is also far and away more money than any other nation's 3.4% of their own GDP. 2% is the cap, and most Eurozone nations don't meet that.
The finns are new this year as well.

We spend because that's the deal. If we aren't there to 1) underwrite and 2) stiffen the spines of the French and Germans, they'll literally roll over and spread their legs.
Hell, we have trouble with them trying that while we're doing the work.
The French and the Germans have no excuse for their lacking contributions.

 

So what has this coalitions really done so far? It clearly didn't deture the Russians, it's not having the desired effect it was created to do for Israel? The only thing it's really done is enrich gangsters and terrorist, governments and creat focus points to occupy the gullible taxpayers attention while funneling countless treasure to those we trust to do the right thing they promise the coalition will stop..

They don't want it to stop

 

Conjecture, hyperbole and irony. The thing I find most interesting in today propagandized American is, if you wait long enough for the politically manufactured hate to dissipate they start to see the good where there was once none in a person

 

No, there is no deal for use to spend a penny over 2%, we do it because we want to have 11 aircraft carriers cruising around just in case they are needed, and we have bases all over the planet, and submarines, satellites etc, etc. Without NATO, we'd have to increase spending even more if we want to maintain the same capability

 

All of Biden’s fear mongering have people peeing their panties.

 

As stated: That's the deal. WE want the wars to occur in Europe, ergo it behooves us to underwrite and stiffen their spines. We do that by being **** of the walk dude.

 

Umm......no it has nothing to do with us wanting the wars to occur in Europe. Why do you think we fight in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia etc.