"The annual rate of gun homicide per 100,000 of the population is currently 0.03 in Great Britain. This compares with 3.6 in the USA, a rate that is 120-fold greater. The total firearms death rate (including suicides and accidents as well) is 51 times higher in the US than in the UK." https://gun-control-network.org/press/us-uk-comparative-data "The Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) provides the best picture of the overall trend in violent crime. Estimates from the CSEW for the year ending September 2022 showed that there were 1.1 million violent offences. There was no significant change compared with the year ending March 2020 survey. However, there remains a general downward trend in violent crime since its peak in 1995." https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...rimeinenglandandwales/yearendingseptember2022 You were saying?
Or less than 100k per year: https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/tpfv9318.pdf Or no more than 2,000 per year: "The best available empirical evidence cataloging defensive gun use (DGU) comes from data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive (GVA), which found fewer than 1,600 DGUs in all of 2014, fewer than 1,400 DGUs in 2015, fewer than 2,000 in 2016, and slightly more than 2,000 in 2017." https://www.gvpedia.org/fact-sheet-the-frequency-of-defensive-gun-use False positives are a huge problem when using a survey to measure the frequency of a rare event so the lower estimates are probably closer to the truth.
2,594 murders committed by white Americans: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls And the population of white Americans is 230 million. So that's about 11 homicides per million. Among white British it's 8.9 homicides per million. "the White ethnic group (8.9 per million population)" https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula.../articles/homicideinenglandandwales/march2022
Does the bolded hold for any such product? Is it absolutely true in every case? Will the warning come with the numbers from your cohort case of an increase of 4 homicides per 100,000 people over 1,825 days? Given that your case removed anyone from the study cohort if they also purchased a gun, wouldn't that also suggest that purchasing a gun in you live with someone with a gun doesn't have the same risk? Kellermann noted that living alone, renting or living in a gated community all had a higher risk factor for homicide in the home than a gun in the home did. Are you suggesting that these circumstances receive higher priority than guns in the home?
And yet, none of these impact the right to keep and bear arms. Do you think that this data captures every DGU? The footnote on the GVA site says "Number of INCIDENTS reported and verified". Reported to whom, and verified by whom?
this isn't really facts about guns it's facts about human behavior. People have been killed in violent acts since Mesopotamia saying this is related to guns is a lie. Also people have been robbing and assaulting each other since Mesopotamia so it predated Guns by hundreds of thousands of years. but doubling one in 100 million is one in 50 million. Not really something to be concerned about you're much more likely to die from heart disease eating terrible foods sugars and stuff like that. People should focus on what's really more likely to kill them not stupid political horseshit this is kind of like the third point mental health is something you should make sure is sound and then you don't have to worry about killing yourself. If you have had suicidal thoughts mental health is probably more important than a gun. Look at that treated if you don't you're at 0% risk of this. Wow you found an authoritarian propaganda site and repeat it's propaganda. Do you actually believe this crap or do you really want it to be true because ass clowns on television convinced you that I'm your enemy?
not much difference at all-and white Americans are the most heavily armed group of private citizens in the world
People who kill others with fire arms usually aren't lawful owners. Also murder and assault with a deadly weapon is already illegal.
They have the highest suicide rate by race in America. Nearly 80% of gun suicide victims in America are white men.
Do you think a gun causes that? I've had guns for years and I haven't thought about killing myself or anybody else for that matter. Why is this the case for the 100 million owners of firearms?
we start getting these irrelevant "facts" when the facade of public safety starts evaporating and the real reason has nothing to do with making us safer
Indeed. Why ignore heart disease and diabetes that kill way more people. It's because having those things doesn't make you an obstacle for authoritarians.
It's cultural as well, effete urban elitists sipping latte in million dollar New York penthouses, while discussing French Ballet fashions and feminist poetry loathe those who hunt or see their own safety as a personal responsibility.
I think they convince themselves that they're more sophisticated in there for smarter. And the people that own guns are toothless bumpkins that date their sisters. This seems to be quite common with this particular crowd of people. Essentially it's liking American things that makes you unsophisticated. I think it's The emperor's New clothes thing so when people point out that yeah even some of these sophisticated types either have their own firearms or higher people with firearms to guard them or protect them it's pointing it out how naked the emperor is and it's making everyone realize the sophistication is an illusion and honestly that's all you really have living in a city.
What do the kids say? Hastag "trust the science"? Argue with the CDC http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=R1
Every kind of violent crime spiked in the UK after the public was disarmed. Guns are as easy for criminals to obtain in the UK as drugs or pizza. Violent crime in London surpassed NYC in 2018. "England and Wales have the highest crime rate among the world's leading economies, according to a new report by the United Nations. The survey, which is likely to prove embarrassing to David Blunkett, the Home Secretary. shows that people are more likely to be mugged, burgled, robbed or assaulted here than in America, Germany, Russia, South Africa or any other of the world's 20 largest nations. Only the Dominican Republic, New Zealand and Finland have higher crime rates than England and Wales. According to the comparison of international crime statistics produced by the UN's Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention..." THE TELEGRAPH, David Bamber, England has worst crime rate in world, By David Bamber, 1/12/2002. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1414855/England-has-worst-crime-rate-in-world.html The Inconvenient Truth: MORE GUNS = LESS CRIME.
Your OP friend. The discussion in your OP. I'm pointing out its bias. You poo pooed that, and I hold to it. See how that works? Still confused?
The reason a GOOD man doesn't rape a woman is because they aren't a monster. The reason a BAD man doesn't rape normally depends solely upon 1) can I do it? and 2) if I do it will I be harmed or caught? If the answer to those questions is yes, no no, they tend to rape. How would a woman ensure they can defend themselves? With a common weapon which doesn't require strength. Literally that's what the scientific studies I showed you speak to. Provide a study in refutation.
Again: Yes you are. You're disarming the public because a member of the public MIGHT commit a crime AT SOME POINT. All malum prohibitum laws are pre crime. You haven't shown that at all. You haven't even crossed DGUs off the list, and neither have other posters.
I didn't say anything about disarming the public. I said they should be educated, not forced. You know, educated like the anti-tobacco and anti-drug education campaigns. DGU's are definitely overrated, and I have explained why in other threads. In short, people have no idea what would have happened had they not brandished their weapon, and people who brandish their weapon also have no idea if doing so actually increased their risk of violence.
Point to where that study was. I may have missed it because there were just too many replies for me to even read in this thread, not just you. All I recall is you stating the obvious that men tend to be stronger than women. That's not a scientific study on armed women reducing rape.
I haven't really evaluated that study so I don't know if it's valid at all. I will look into it possibly. I am guessing you linked it earlier somewhere. The other study is very well-done because it controls for confounders very well. Most likely purchasing a gun and living with somebody with a gun would increase risks of somebody dying. I guess it could increase the odds it's the other person you live with instead of you. Not going to be very different for its intended use, fighting home invaders, which is very rare.
