And Why Are Palestinians Being Killed?

If you are sickened by most Israelis, that is unfortunate, but they have a right to dump their politicians who fail and become repugnant to them.

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A Nov. 3 poll found 76% of Israelis want Netanyahu to resign. ​

On Nov. 7, a leading pro-Netanyahu newspaper reversed its stance and ran an editorial calling for his ouster after the war. Polls taken last month show Netanyahu would lose if elections were held now.

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In power for most of the past 16 years, Netanyahu has long portrayed himself as tough on security. But critics say he strayed from that focus, and gambled with it.
Last year, he invited far-right religious parties to govern with him. Together they have expanded Jewish settlements in the West Bank, alienating the moderate Palestinian Authority, which governs that territory. Meanwhile, Netanyahu was accused of bolstering the more hard-line rule of Hamas in the Gaza Strip, in a risky move to try to drive a wedge between Palestinian leaders in the two noncontiguous territories.

And when Netanyahu earlier this year launched a controversial reform of the country's judicial system, weakening the courts and giving himself more control over them, it divided Israelis and prompted massive street protests.

... it was all a diversion from Israel's own security. Since Oct. 7, divisions among Israelis over Netanyahu's policies have now given way to greater unity — against the prime minister.​

 

I agree with you , the creation of State of Israel was a political mistake. But here we are. Looking past mistake will not fix anything. Time and time again two state solution was presented to Palestinian and they rejected the solution.

If you label Arab Muslim as intolerant as I do , how do you convince intolerant people who want to live in 6th century caliphate era to compromise and live in a secular society with Jews, Christian , Muslims and atheist?

 

So far they are able to get by here.

 

I am confused. You don’t believe that Hadith is Islamic book? The quote is from Hadith.

Hadith narrated by Abi Hurira:

"The last hour won't come before the Muslims would fight the Jews and the Muslims will kill them so Jews would hide behind rocks and trees. Then the rocks and tree would call: oh Muslim, oh servant of God! There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only "Gharkad" tree, it is of Jews' trees."

 

Well, I guess that credibility, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

It's an indisputable fact that Israel has consistently betrayed, deceived and preyed on gullible Americans as early as their False Flag attack on US interests in Egypt to get the US to attack Egypt for them (The Lavon Affair).

My last assignment in the US Army was to be part of an Airborne Rapid Deployment Unit specifically to help defend Israel in the event of hostilities. TS clearance was required to be a member.
We were told at the same time: "Do not trust IDF members, they'll shoot you in the back just to blame the Arabs."

Years later, the US Marines in Lebanon learned that lesson the hard way when Israel was complicit in the killing of 241 Marines (1) and provocations of other US Marines.(2)

Israel is America's most insidious, manipulative, and treacherous threat to genuine US interests.




(1). “CSI Forensics Proves Who Killed US Marines - Evidence shows Israel is Guilty!
http://www.trionfopublishing.com/cache/forensics.htm
By Ralph Forbes

EXCRPT “The Beirut bombing that killed 241 U.S. Marines was "the largest non-nuclear explosion in history," according to General Paul X. Kelley, past-Commandant of the Marine Corps.

The Mossad had advance knowledge of the notorious suicide bombing in Beirut but didn't pass on that information to American intelligence. By Way of Deception, Confessions of ex-Mossad agent, Victor Ostrovsky. "Intelligence lies are like the Russian dolls, open one, find another. The real story - like 911 - is even worse than they knew but didn't warn us." CONTINUED


(2). "Israel Charged With Systematic Harassment of U.S. Marines"
http://www.wrmea.org/1995-march/israel-charged-with-systematic-harassment-of-u.s.-marines.html

 

You've got a lot to learn and you won't learn it from pro Israel MSM:

"Iran's Jews on life inside Israel's 'enemy state': 'We feel secure and happy'"
https://steemit.com/israel/@rltprod...israel-s-enemy-state-we-feel-secure-and-happy

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-state-we-feel-secure-and-happy-a6934931.html

EXCERPT "Despite its often turbulent dealings with Israel, Iran has one of the world's largest and longest-established Jewish communities - and it's growing. Kim Sengupta reports from Tehran on their intriguing relationship with the country's establishment

Ciamak Morsadegh, a newly elected Iranian parliamentarian.

The MP is Jewish, representing the largest Jewish community in the Middle East outside Israel, one that is growing in size while those in almost all other Muslim countries in the region have shrunk severely or disappeared altogether

"The fact is, Iran is a place where Jews feel secure and we are happy to be here," he says. "We are proud to be Iranian. I know this doesn't follow the Zionist script, but this is the reality."

"The Israelis offer money to Jewish people to emigrate to Israel, but we choose to stay. My view is that the actions of Netanyahu and his government, the way they behave towards the Palestinians, cause problems for Jews everywhere. I am not the only one holding these views. Am I not allowed to say it because I am a Jew? "CONTINUED

 

The question of motivations such as revenge justifying the Hamas atrocity, have been voiced many times. But the hard truth is that the offense that justified it was that the people they attacked were jews. Nothing else that may be said comes close to that. While I think that is obvious truth and fact, others fail to see it. One of the best documentations of this so far is a recording of a call a Hamas fighter made to his parent, using the cell phone of a jewish woman he has just killed. Many reports on this, some with the actual recording, some transcriptions/ Not questionable. Here are a few lines from it:


"The Hamas terrorist, who said he was calling from the Mefalism kibbutz, repeatedly asked to initiate a video call so he could show his family the killed Israelis. His father can be heard crying with joy as he speaks.

"Dad, ten with my own hands!" the terrorist said. "Their blood is on their hands."

"Oh my son, God bless you!" the terrorist's father responds.

The Hamas terrorist's brother and mother eventually joined the call as well, with the latter saying "I wish I was with you."

"Mom, your son is a hero," the terrorist responded. "Kill, kill, kill!"


https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-wo...-gaza-terrorism-invasion-middle-east-conflict

 

Same as in Turkey today. There live approx. 15.000 ... 20.000 Jews there.

Since the Hamas attack on occupied Palestine, Palestine is the most unsafe place on earth for Jews. The Zionist project has definitely failed!

 

As you have said "Bullsh#$! Israel took 9000 of it's own citizens out of Gaza and turned it over to them. Gaza citizens could have done something resourceful with the land but true to their nature, they began their bloodlust campaign to kill Jews and educate their children to do so.

 

I don’t need to learn anything from media. I have been to Middle east many, many times. My experience is firsthand experience. Your attack on “ Israel MSM” and then posting Muslim propaganda is not going to change anything.

 

It has to be justified, within reason.
There's always at least 2 sides to a conflict. The reaction to the conflict is whether resistance is justified or not.
Some over do it, some don't do enough. But all that is subjective opinions so no one will agree on justified or not.

 

Gaza citizens didn't do much of anything. Hamas did most all
Bloodlust campaign occurs on both sides.

 

Mistakes should be rectified. Not left to fester.

Both sides rejected a final 2 state solution.

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Dissent and disruption
From the start, some Israelis and Palestinians sought to disrupt a two-state solution. Religious nationalists on both sides believed their respective governments did not have the right to cede any part of the land. In 1994, during the overlap of the Jewish festival of Purim and the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, Jewish extremist Baruch Goldstein opened fire on Muslim worshippers in the Sanctuary of Abraham above the Cave of Machpelah (also called the Tomb of the Patriarchs) in Hebron, a holy site frequented by both Jews and Muslims. The same year, Hamas, a militant Palestinian organization that likewise rejected a two-state solution, began a campaign of suicide bombings. On November 4, 1995, Rabin was assassinated by a Jewish extremist while attending a peace rally.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/two-state-solution

 

I don't believe they are direct Mohammad quotes.
Nor do I believe all muslims follow said Hadith religiously.

Just like the Jews don't follow the Leviticus laws of the Torah/bible.

Both religious laws are quite strict and quite harsh punishments for breaking their religious laws.

And there are many many factions of Islam.

Also, your claim was to be a quote from Mohammad. Not some narrated version of a Hadith.

 

The Real reason is Gaza should simply cease to exist. No modern Nation would allow and armed camp of geocidal lunatics' and zealots sit within their borders. Why we expect Israel to is the dumbest thing of all. Hamas ****ed around and now they are finding out and I say good send the rubbish to the scrap heap of history where they belong.

 

Or the State of Israel in that area should simply cease to exist.
There was not reason to make that area an Israeli state and punish all those non jews living there.

 

Does it matter what you believe about hadith? Absolutely not. I don’t believe Hadith or Quran worth anything. But I am not Muslim so it really doesn’t matter what you and I think about hadith.

I agree many Muslims don’t accept Hadith . Quranism don’t accept Hadith. Do you know the number of Muslim are Quranists? Less then 100k in the world.

Sunni Muslims accept all six books of hadith. 1.7 billion Muslims are Sunni Muslims, that makes up 90% of Muslims in the world. Sunni Muslims take Hadith very seriously.

You keep harping on Muhammad quote and you don’t want narrative. You are a smart guy, so I assume you know how ancient text are written. Can you quote Jesus without the narrative of mark or John in the Gospel? Can you quote Socrates ? you can’t because Socrates never wrote any thing. Can you quote Plato? You can’t because the oldest manuscript we have of Plato is a narrative written 900 years after Plato died.

Muhammad or Jesus or Plato it’s all narrative. They didn’t write down anything. Someone else wrote about them.

 

I get it. You are taking the anti-Israel side. There is no need to clarify your position further. I support Israel and oppose the terrorists. I know the difference between right and wrong and you cannot justify the terrorism committed. There is a reason bad guys wear masks to hide their faces.

 

Gaza citizens put Hamas in power and consented to be used as human shields while indoctrinating their children with the desire to kill Jews. We have seen their educational films.

 

Where does Hamas get it's manpower? Who are their soldiers if not Palestinians?

 

Again , agree with you. both side reject 2 state solution.

So the choice for rest of the world –

Bunch of religious zealot who wants to be govern by some ancient text and turn their world to 6th century caliphate where women are treated like property, where beheading infidel is religious command, secularism is HARAM.

VS

A Secular Democratic Israel.

I am not implying Israel is good, I am not implying everything Israel does is legal. But the choice for rest of the world is – do you support “secular democratic Israel” or “6th century Caliphate” . let me put this in domestic politics that you and I agree with – Biden has his share of fault – but on NOV 2024 do you chose Biden or the “Twice impeached, P*** grabbing, overthrowing US democracy, nuclear secrets stealing Trump”?

 

Israel has never rejected a two state solution. That is absolutely false.

 

I only harp on the Mohammad quote, as you said you'd provide his quote about Jews. My guess is you don't have a quote.
I know how ancient texts are written. Which is why I don't believe in ancient texts. At least when one states X deity or prophet said this or that. No one knows what they said. Some may not even be what they claim to be.
Such as Jesus being a son of god.
I won't provide quotes nor will I say I will of those who never wrote a thing down. For the most part, I don't believe them.

It was you who stated you'd provide a Mohammad quote. It sounds like you knew all along you could not do so.
Do Jews and Muslims not get along.
Absolutely.
But unlike you, I won't take the Israel side just because Muslims hate the jews and the Western world created an Israeli state in the proximity of their homes.
Stupid and bad idea that should be remedied. Without the massacres each side does.

 

Israel has not followed through on having a 2 state solution.

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But failed peace talks, logistical questions, expanded Israeli settlements, Palestinian attacks and recurring clashes have kept it from becoming a reality. The two-state solution has seen dwindling support from both Palestinians and Israelis over the years. And its prospects now seem dimmer than ever, in light of Hamas' attack on Israel and Israel's response.

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"What started off in the U.N.'s mind as a 50-50 split of Mandatory Palestine, after the 1948 war — which was initiated by the Arab armies — it was more than 50 percent for Israel. After 1967, it was 100 percent-plus for Israel," he says. "And now Israel is, I think, the only country that's hard to draw on a map."

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The deal raised expectations for a two-state solution. But it quickly began to unravel after a series of events, including a 1994 attack on a mosque in Hebron by an American Jewish settler and Rabin's assassination in 1995 by an Israeli settler opposed to the agreement.

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/27/1208694837/two-state-solution-israeli-palestinian-conflict

 

Old news. Hamas seized total control after 1 election decades ago.