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  1. JohnHamilton

    JohnHamilton Well-Known Member

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    He also “forgot” to pay his income taxes. He’s paid some of them, but he got off on others because the “prosecutor” slow walked the investigation until the statute of limitations ran out. Do you know what happens to most people who evade taxes? Ask Martha Stewart.
     
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    This isn't even worth the debate. You aren't wrong. You couldn't be more correct. There is just no logical reason for anyone to give money to Hunter Biden, on a maybe. Deals were made, for every dollar. The Bidens don't have a business. They make no products. They provide no services. His whole family just has regular jobs. They aren't CEOs. Anyone who says this news story doesn't matter, is a partisan hack. Period.

    That said, is it uniquely a problem of the Bidens? Of course not. Washington is full of millionaire politicians, who have been making $250k a year their whole lives. I need to talk to their investment guy, perhaps. And every one of them will gladly show you their tax returns, but NONE of them will show their wives return.
     
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  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Normally, I would indignantly ask how you could possibly hold on to a belief like that in the face of irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

    Trump Twists Facts on Biden and Ukraine
    https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/trump-twists-facts-on-biden-and-ukraine/

    Trump Revives False Narrative on Biden and Ukraine
    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/

    Republican Inquiry Finds No Evidence of Wrongdoing by Biden
    The report delivered on Wednesday appeared to be little more than a rehashing of unproven allegations that echoed a Russian disinformation campaign.

    WASHINGTON — An election-year investigation by Senate Republicans into corruption allegations against Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his son, Hunter, involving Ukraine found no evidence of improper influence or wrongdoing by the former vice president, closing out an inquiry its leaders had hoped would tarnish the Democratic presidential nominee.

    The investigation found that Hunter Biden had “cashed in” on his father’s name to close lucrative business deals around the world. It also concluded that his work for Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian energy company then mired in a corruption scandal, while the former vice president was directing American policy toward Kyiv had given the appearance of a conflict of interest and alarmed some State Department officials.

    But an 87-page report summing up the findings, released jointly on Wednesday by the Senate Homeland Security and Finance Committees, contained no evidence that the elder Mr. Biden improperly manipulated American policy toward Ukraine or committed any other misdeed. In fact, investigators heard witness testimony that rebutted those charges.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/politics/biden-inquiry-republicans-johnson.html

    Ukraine police close Biden probe initiated by ousted prosecutor
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...en-probe-initiated-ousted-prosecutor-n1247320

    BUT I ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION. It's because you CHOOSE to believe in falsehoods.
     
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  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you keep harping on this? There is only one answer. You have nothing.

    Hunter Biden business associate testifies he has no knowledge of wrongdoing by Joe Biden
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...stifies-no-knowledge-wrongdoing-joe-rcna97953

    Momentum behind impeachment inquiry slows under new speaker

    As Republican lawmakers have resumed regular business, the new speaker of the House, a former member of the Judiciary Committee where a part of the inquiry is being conducted, has staked out a different position than those leading the inquiry.

    Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.), a constitutional lawyer by training, has taken a more reserved tone, both publicly and privately, urging members to conduct a thorough and fair investigation with no predetermined outcome. In a closed-door meeting with House GOP moderates this week, he indicated that there is insufficient evidence at the moment to initiate formal impeachment proceedings, according to people who attended the meeting.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/10/biden-impeachment-inquiry-speaker-johnson/

    Biden impeachment effort ‘eight months of abject failure’, watchdog report says
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/11/biden-impeachment-inquiry-abject-failure-report
     
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  5. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Just keep drinking that Kool-Aid and keep believing that Joe didn't lie.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Xtofascist controlled GOP DISINFORMATION duly noted.
     
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  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The endless attempts to justify Trump's actions by invoking false equivalences has once again done a face plant.
     
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  8. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No where in my reply did I make any comment about what Joe said. Rather, I focused on the total lack of evidence he actually did anything wrong with respect to Hunter's shady biz practices. But don't let that stop you from dwelling on what is inconsequential. Haters gonna hate.
     
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    Of course Joe lies about those business dealings that made him a ton of money. Making money by using his office is a really bad thing of course. It is impeachable I suppose. There are a lot of those in government that do it and given the amount of wealth these "servants of the people" gather above and beyond their salary it is understandable what makes their positions so attractive.
    That is not the half of it ,however! What is frightening is how much is joe compromised due to his under the table dealings? Are they influencing his actions at every turn? Do so many different interests of many nations tug on the bit in his mouth to move him in directions that are in no way of the best interest to America? It is my belief that is true and if so, this is not just fraud, it is treason of the highest order.
    Sure, he has a definite interest in covering up what has been going on. Once the House gets a handle on it and exposes it there will be several in government going down!
     
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    Eric, Don jr and Ivanka are as PURE as driven SNOW* in your eyes?

    HILARIOUS!



    *as in snorted! ;)
     
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  11. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is a fact that Trump supporters refuse to accept basic truths. I have an idea as to why. Once there is a ***** in the armor, once they say to themselves "maybe he has told a lot of lies, maybe he shouldn't attack the judge, the DA, the SC, maybe he shouldn't have tried to make Jeff Clark the AG so he could put the weight of the DoJ behind coercing GA election officials, maybe he shouldn't have orchestrated the plot to overturn the election," once they do things like that the entire house of cards comes down.
     
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    It is HILARIIOUS you even try to make the comparison! The Trump kids are part of a business empire that ACTUALLY produces things!
     
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    I see you have taken the bait of distracting narratives.
     
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    Again, what lie, I gave you the answer in post #35 that you, somehow will not respond. So, let's review the cliam and the facts, shall we? First, the claim, which is Joe Biden knew about Hunter's business dealings. That is your assertion, right, in this thread? So, what basis do you have? Let's look at Hunter Biden calling his father frequently after or during business dinners with his business partners or clients while in China? One business partner described the conversation as casual to the committee under testimony. Being casual in a conversation is not knowing any details of any business. Furthermore, the very same business partner said in Congressional Testimony that Hunter sold his "illusion of access" when trying to make deals in China. Again, that is not access or knowledge if Hunter is the one doing the selling and trying to make it appear he had access when in reality he did not. Or would you argue otherwise? We call this overselling just as much as Republicans have tried to oversell Devon Archer, his testimony before Congress. Overselling does not mean one knew. In fact, it means the exact opposite.

    Let's look at another claim the right has when Hunter, Joe, and one of Hunter's business partners was on Air Force 2 while on the way to China, I believe. Business partner, Hunter Biden, and Joe Biden was on Air Force 2, but again, that does not mean they talked about Hunter's business dealings. People can walk and chew gum at the same time you know, which means that the coincidence of them being on the same aircraft going to China in 2015 does not mean that Joe Biden knew of his son's business arrangements or the reason why. WH logs also show that Hunter's former business partners had visited the WH numerous times. But it is not known the details of that conversation. It could be separate business issues apart from Hunter Biden, or something totally unrelated. Comer would need the working papers of the former associates to know the exact details of those reasons for the visit. Bob and Devon had several business dealings apart from Hunter and there was no "no compete" clause when they were associated with each other to begin with. And finally, we have a copy of a hard drive of the infamous laptop with a voicemail. First, the copy of the hard drive is suspect at best. It is not the original, and thus the authenticity cannot be verified. FBI has not released its findings on the laptop to anyone, not even the computer forensic tests performed on said laptop. Nor do we know the exact contents of the original hard drive and compare it to the copy of the hard drive from Rudy Guiliani, who is also suspect with his numersous legal issues.

    In conclusion, you cannot prove Joe Biden lied, which pretty much makes your entire thread a facade, a misinformation campaign, to say the least. And you really cannot rely on Comer's word since he has lied numerous times about this whole investigation and even admitted the whole purpose is for winning the 2024 WH, not discovering the truth, whatever that may be.

    https://time.com/6254861/hunter-biden-laptop-investigations-charges/
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/31/us/politics/hunter-biden-devon-archer.html
     
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    I have the BESTEST receipts, only the most INCREDIBLE receipts, receipts like NO ONE has ever seen BEFORE, one time this guy comes up to me with his receipts in his hands and TEARS in his eyes, BIG guy, strong guy and hands me his receipts and says "Sir, these are the most PRICELESS receipts in the whole world that I inherited from my great grandfather who was a Polish Nobleman, almost a prince, and I want you to have them, Sir, because ONLY you can be TRUSTED to have them."
     
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  17. JohnHamilton

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    Would care to provide us with a list of crimes, or will it be another link to a communist website.

    Here’s a tip. The less you say about Hunter the better. He’s addict and a crook, and if you can find ways to have people forget him, you would be much better off.
     
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    Your links were just a REGURGITATION of all of the FALSEHOODS that have already been DEBUNKED umpteen times.

    I KNOW that because I read them.

    NOTHING in them that is remotely CREDIBLE.

    Sad!
     
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    OK, fair enough.


    But, do “YOU” know what would happen to most people if they tried a tiny fraction of theShit tRaitor tRump’s pulled? :shock:
     
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    SUDDENLY, out of NOWHERE, there has to be ACTUAL CRIMES being committed?

    But YOU believe that Joe Biden is the HEAD of the "Biden Crime Family Business" who is GUILTY of not just "lying" but also money laundering and tax avoidance WITHOUT a single credible shred of FACTUAL evidence.

    Here’s a tip. The less you say about Eric, Don jr and Ivanka the better. They are addicts and crooks, and if you can find ways to have people forget them, you would be much better off.
     
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    I don’t say anything about Trump’s children because they aren’t running for office and not selling influence to foreign governments like Hunter.
     
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    Treason for one... Joe should be in jail..

    Show us the DOJ investigation into the treasonous act of trying to overthrow our government by Joe Biden and Obama in a failed coup attempt on a duly elected president in a failed insurrection.... Durham just uncovered was has been known for years.... without DOJ investigations ever happening...

    Where is the DOJ investigations into Obama, Biden, Hillary and all the people in the intel that played along... the Durham uncovered it again after years of it already being public?

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23813493/durham3.pdf
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    The DOJ proves crimes... show us the DOJ investigation into Joe Biden's involvement in bribery and influence peddling.. That is the coverup.
     
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    Well, there are four indictments that show with Trump being accused of some 91 crimes in four different jurisdictions. That is not communism or any thing else. Don Jr and Eric are defendants in the civil criminal fraud trial. Although not criminal, if the case goes as bad as it is going now, I would not be surprised if NY AG indicts these two. Ivanka got out because the statute of limitations expired. All of them had direct business dealings and handling of the Trump Org in and of itself. So how Trump Org goes, so does them.
     

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