Israeli hostage briefly escaped Hamas before locals handed him back to terrorists: family

https://www.foxnews.com/world/israe...e-locals-handed-him-back-to-terrorists-report

The citizens of Gaza are no better than Hamas. They literally elected them in anyway. Israel will continue to be attacked if they don’t completely wipe out Hamas and will likely have to play a police force within Gaza from now on. These people blame Israel not Hamas for their grievances. They don’t see it that this retaliation for Oct 7th because they feel they have a right to murder infidels.

Chapter 9 verse five of the Quran reads And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then leave their way free. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.


I feel it’s obvious that a two state solution will never work and this will be ongoing. There is a reason they elect these types of groups as governing bodies.

I believe citizen casualties should be avoided as much as possible but I don’t exactly feel bad for them when they allowed them to take power and turn civilian areas into military use

 

But, the Palestinians aren't Hamas...lol

 

Who would have thought Putin can still do something positive in this world....

 

Never read the Quran, but the above quote reminds me of of scripture from another religion. Does the quote below prevent a two State solution?

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

 

Either Jews of Israel didn't read the Bible in the 90's when we agreed to Oslo or they don't follow biblical genocide anymore.

We do need your Christian children's blood thou, its not in the bible - just a favored taste....

Back to Hamas....which by the way dwells in a former Philistine city, did launch a biblical attack on Israel, only fitting it will get a biblical reply.

 

So, as you guessed, the Palestinians are helping Hamas. This is not the first incident where I've heard that the Palestinians are helping Hamas. I heard that at one of the hospitals in Gaza, the staff were helping Hamas.

So, as it turns out, there are a lot of people who will cause trouble for Israel for a very long time. As they chant: from the river to the sea. Israel isn't going to win hearts and minds no matter what they do.

What can Israel do? The Palestinians have already made up their minds. Genocide, which includes more than just killing everyone but also just making folks leave their homes apparently, is looking less likely as the Hamas-Israeli ceasefire has been extended while they exchange hostages. So there you go. No resolution and a no-win scenario.

 

That’s a story of a singular incident not a demand from now until eternity.

 

A singular incident? Then why was Netanyahu recently talking about killing the Amalykites?

The fact that the PLO was a Marxist organization and Marxism has an atheist world view suggests to me that Islam is not the basis for the conflict in question as you seem to assert. Creating a war of religions is a bad approach for trying to win a war that will be won or lost by perception management.

 

You are absolutely wrong. The Popular Front For the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) was the only Palestinian terror group to call itself Marxist Leninist.

Next even if the PLO had no Muslim affiliation to make the ridiculous statement you did that the conflict is not based on a religious conflict is imbecilic and again we see yet another person come on this board with no clue as to the history of Jews, Muslims and Christians in Palestine and invent some absurd notion that it has no relation to religion.

Backing up your assertion about the PLO is completely false. Can you please make an effort before you come on this board and reflect your lack of understanding do basic research. In fact under its leader Yasir Arafat, the Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority adopted ta 2003 Amended Basic Law, which stipulated Islam as being the sole official religion in Palestine and the principles of Islamic sharia as a principal source of legislation.

How are you oblivious to this and come on this thread passing off what you did?

The PLO and now the Palestinian Authority has never believed in Socialism of any kind. It advocates a Muslim theocracy where the state is a theocracy based on its interpretation of Sunni Law. There is no separation of state from religion and this is precisely what fuels the conflict.

The 14 Muslim states of the Arab League refused to recognize Israel as a JEWISH state even though they were MUSLIM states was precisely because it wanted to be a JEWISH not MUSLIM state.

In the Islamic states of the Middle East a Jew is defined as a dhimmi. This is a second class citizen who can NOT own land and is only allowed to RENT it from a Muslim. As well in these Muslim states a Jew can not testify in court. They are not followers of Muhammed and so are said to be unable to swear an oath to tell the truth as they follow a false religion. They were allowed to live in designated ghettos where they were separated from Muslims.

Their houses and synagogues have to be smaller than any Muslim Mosque or house. They can not gather in public over 4 people. They can not pray in the open. They are not permitted to talk to Muslim women. If they wish to do business with a Muslim another Muslim must act as the intermediary as they are not allowed to directly speak to a Muslim.

You really need to find out what dhimmitude means. It means Muslims can not accept a Jew owning any land let alone having their own nation. They are said not to be equals of Muslims and so can not have a Jewish nation as Muslims have Muslim nations. That is precisely what started this conflict.

Where do you live. Mr. Abbas has made numerous speeches saying what Arafat did, never will any Muslim of the Middle East let alone Palestinian ever allow a Jew to think they can have a country. The PA purpose is to take back and un-Jew Israel and turn it back into a Muslim state. The PA like Hamas believes Israel, the West Bank, Gaza, Jordan should be a Jew free Muslim theocracy.

Please go do your research.

Just once can one of you pro Hamas experts try do basic research. Go find Israel on a map.

Here are some articles that I know you cell phone 10 second attention span experts can't handle but you may want to try read a sentence or two.

https://www.history.com/topics/middle-east/palestine

https://www.christiancentury.org/article/news/religious-aspect-israel-palestine-conflict

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org...lestinian-conflict-cause-consequence-and-cure

https://www.jstor.org/stable/26416732

 

No problem in 2023... all the Amalykites are gone. All gone.

 

Amalykites Are people opposed to Israel. In that verse he mentioned it was god telling them to kill all Amalykites and a man sent out to do it but didn’t do it to gods liking. So he was pretty much banished. It was a singular story not a call for prolonged and indefinite killing as is the one I quoted.

 

I concur with you.

But that with Gaza is a sword with two points. Yes, many Palis love Hamas, but in Gaza, pretty much an equal number hate Hamas but are terrified.
Perversely, in the West Bank, where Hamas is usually despised, Hamas is doing well in polling among West-bankers.
I know of no other nation in the world held to such a perverse double-standard as Eretz Yisrael. It's disgusting.

 

The war is far from over, there will be a lot of opinion shifting meanwhile, judge when its over...

 

I don’t feel that’s necessary. This was ignited by Hamas, we can’t look ill on the way it must be handled. We can’t expect Israel to do nothing. The people who are sympathizing for Hamas has also revived Osama Bin Laden’s letter to America that like Hamas wants to murder Jews wherever they can. These people don’t deserve our sympathies at all and I refuse to demonize Israel for doing what it takes to defend itself against these moronic crazies the same way did against Osama Bin Laden.

 

1. Cell Phone 10 second attendion? Ad hominem fallacy plus snark don't make for a well reasoned argyment.

2. I don't have a dog in then hunt but Islam is 1.6 Billion people and the fastest growing religion. In order to win your war you perhaps should not frame it as a religious war.

3. Arafat was a Marxist trained by the USSR.

 

This is Iran's doing. All of the sides of this conflict against Israel are agents of Iran and are being supported by them. Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis in Yemen, and fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Everyone should notice that despite the Hamas-Israeli ceasefire to release hostages, the fighting across much of the Middle East, by the same players against the Israelis and the US is ongoing.

This is perhaps Iran's last death cry before they are consumed by their own secular-wanting population who have been protesting against their Islamic government for many years now.

 

AMEN Brother

 

Arafat was not a Marxist nor was he trained by the Soviets. Repeating that falsehood will not make it true. Next ignoring the religious component of this conflict is stupid. You wanting to change it to fit some ignorant rigid concept you have is nonsensical. This conflict has nothing to do with Marxism. You use that reference to simplify a conflict whose many components clearly tax your attention span. Done. I will move on.

You have now proven yuu are here to lecture and pose about a conflict you will not take the time to research. That is a demonstrated fact not a ad hominem attack. Stupid assertions are responded to with actual facts.. then if you choose to ignore the facts and simply repeat your false assertion, that it is then called stupid precisely because it is.

Arafat was not trained by the Soviets. He could not read or write Russian. He barely spoke and wrote English. He was in fact supported financially by the KGB but just as much by La Deuxieme Bureau which I can not be bothered to explain given facts do not interest you.

 

Add CIA to the mix...they even took a terrorist to Disneyland.
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/the-time-the-cia-took-a-terrorist-to-disneyland-615012

 

Jews, for decades in a row, have voted in fascist governments to oppress Arabs beyond it's bordes for the sake to colonize it. These are war crimes, and about all the Israel Jews join the military to make that war crime happen. The idea that these are the same people who want a 2 state solution is irrational. And this behavior of the Jews predated Hamas by decades. Hamas is a reaction to what the Jews have been doing. Interest groups like AIPAC, is not an Israeli thing as they claim, it's an American Jewish organization that lobbies for a military assistance to get this war crime done. And subsequently the US paid billions in taxes in support for this war crime. Everybody knows this and it's no conspiracy how Jews have organized themselves beyond their borders in the name of their ethnic group. Jewish organizations opposing this are few.

Indeed. Israel will be attacked for their violent, fascist, and colonizing ways. It is a war crime what they do and it's UNPROVOKED. And subsequently they do not have a right to defend themselves against their war crimes.