Young Chiefs fan and dad respond to ‘blackface’ accusations: 'Never meant to disrespect any Native A

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You just want to denigrate the opposition. You have no evidence of the right canceling anything except maybe porography in children's books. Sure we oppose many of the things you promote but we do not have entire control of the MSM as you do nor do we control the algorithms in social media. We oppose but cancel nothing!
     
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    I get why native Americans would not want their cultures to be used as a costume, but it's just a kid, and the kid is dressing up the same way most of the other hardcore fans of the team dress up. The problem is with the choice of mascot, not the kid.
     
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    The tribes near KC should have a vote.
     
  4. mdrobster

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    You mean how MAGAs went after the NFL because of the kneeling. :)

    That's just one example.
     
  5. Andrew Jackson

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    It is interesting how teams like the Chiefs, Braves, Blackhawks, and Seminoles have managed to keep their Native Amercan team names, while teams like the Cleveland Indians buckled under pressure and changed theirs.
     
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    I really have no opinion on those. I'd leave it up to the Native Americans involved. If they are cool with it, cool. If not, then maybe pick something else.
     
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    True...
    All of those teams seem to have the support of locally relevant Native Americans to keep their names.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I never went after them, just quit watching football. However I still love baseball and I watch basketball. Isn't that my right?
     
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    The Chiefs are valued at $4.3 billion dollars. It seems to me the team is showing great respect for Indians by using them as mascots and the team name.
     
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    What mistake did they make? People wear makeup and costumes all the time. Was the kid's dad supposed to prevent his kid from getting all made up just because some snowflakes who are offended by everything might get upset? What if I told you I was offended by rainbow colors on shirts, signs, etc? Would you make those people apologize to me?

    This reminds me of a photo I once saw of coal miners who had coal dust all over their faces. Yep, libs screamed about black face.

    And no one screamed or melted down when Michael Jackson went from black face to white face. No one.
     
  11. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And the snowflakes don't through tantrums when transvestites imitate and demean women!! To me that is the epitome of hypocrisy!!
     
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    I wonder if we will all be in retirement homes at 90 years old STILL hearing crusty old liberals saying "but Trump!"

    Unfortunately, I think yes.
     
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    You'll literally say anything to avoid actually having to address this snowflake nonsense.

    Don't worry, we all know it's because you support it, but are incapable of defending it.

    So you do what most ideologues do. It's obvious.
     
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    By painting himself black in the face in the Native American regalia, from what I read.

    Coal minors have soot, which is technically a very dark brown, almost black, but it is clear, with their hardhat and the caption on the picture of what they had on. That is not artificial such as one painting their face black. Blackface has been around since the 1930s or so. It was acceptable then, but not now. When Mark Twain was alive, the N-word was acceptable. Blackie or Darkie was unacceptable. Gay used to mean happy, but nowadays it is synonymous with a type of lifestyle. The point is words and certain actions that were acceptable in the past are no longer in a changing culture, especially one on the internet where people tend to be more emotional than rational.

    You may not see it as wrong, but try doing that on the internet one day and see where that leads you. It is why some people, described as "Karens" or "Kim's" on the internet have lost their jobs because of what they said or did, excluding January 6th when race is involved. And that is why we have too many people, especially conservatives, being too judgemental on people who think and/or act differently than they do. So, why make this an issue? The person apologized for what people called them out on, and that is it. Move on.
     
  15. Alwayssa

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    Nothing is a snowflake when it comes to an internet apology unless you cannot take a stand or accept certain things that have changed. Of course, you being a femaile, I guess your only options are to be barefoot, pregnant, and bringing your bf or husband a beer when he wants to praying he does not slap you for being too late. Remember, domestic violence was known even in the 19th century but nothing was done about it with women caught between, quite literally a rock and a hard place.. Those who want things to remain the same, ignore the changes in culture, and so forth tend to be the biggest snowflakes of them all. The biggest snowflake is one named Donald J Trump who really can't take it even though he can dish it, can he? And you are following right in his footsteps.
     
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    You think the culture was is about barefoot and pregnant women?

    Or.. are you just using that exclusive example to both paint the opposition in your war as Neanderthals while simultaneously avoiding the actual conflicts that exist in ideologies?

    I'll go with the latter.
     
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    Women were not allowed to even do politics until the 19th century, they were not allowed to own property, vote, or pretty much anything else. So, yeah, the point was that women were not allowed to do anything that was "men's work" which was pretty much everything and women were only allowed to do "women's work" which was cooking, sowing, and being submissive to the husband. What the husband say, goes, on until about the early 20th century. Oh hell, it was provocative for women to even wear pants, even in the 1950s.

    The point I was making is that just because a guy gives an apology for what he did does not mean he is a snowflake. It takes greater courage to admit one is wrong, even when you feel it was not wrong when dealing with the internet, the public, to family, etc. However, how one apologizes is the key. If honest and contrite, it is accepted. If it is made with excuses, it is not accepted. And with the guy who painted his face black, was called out on it, and apologized, he was contrite and honest with his apology. Thus, he was not a snowflake.

    A snowflake is someone who wants the do as I say and not as I do. Trump is a good example of a snowflake. He can dish it, but he sure can't take it. He acts more like a child who does not get his way when he makes those inflamatory statements of his blaming anyone and everyone except himself. We see it here to with certain posters who don't take responsibility for their own actions but demand it of others without question. I will not name names, nor am I naming you specifically, but that is an idea of a snowflake.
     
  18. Steve N

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    And there it is....Trump. You could have used Biden, Harris, KJP, Pelosi, the world's perpetual victim who is AOC, or any number of democrats who blame everyone else except themselves or their own policies, but you had to roll with Trump. Seems to be common around here.
     
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    Who gives a ****. Go cry a river over whatever you want. This country has been hijacked by cry babies and ******s.
     
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    Hmm, lets see, a former cop in jail for killing a black man is inside a prison, geee, no cause for alarm there. SO SHOCKING that he got attacked. Who would have thought?
     
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    I saw a commercial the other day and had to rewind it to make sure but it had a black woman in white face. Not sure why they had to do that but it was weird.
     
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    It appears the family of this kid are going to settle this the way Americans settle things - in court.

    Parents of 9-year-old Chiefs fan threaten to sue Deadspin over ‘blackface’ claim

    The family of a 9-year-old Kansas City Chiefs fan whom Deadspin accused of being racist for wearing a Native American headdress and painting his face half black and half red is threatening to sue the publisher and reporter.

    Holden Armenta’s parents, Shannon and Raul, have hired Clare Locke LLP to demand that the sports news site and senior writer Carron Phillips issue a retraction for his story headlined “The NFL needs to speak out against the Kansas City Chiefs fan in Black face, Native headdress.”

    They also threatened further legal action against the reporter, Deadspin, publisher G/O Media and Great Hill Partners in a letter obtained by NewsNation.

    “These articles, posts on X and photos about Holden and his parents must be retracted immediately,” the letter read.

    “It is not enough to quietly remove a tweet from X or disable the article from Deadspin’s website. You must publish your retractions and issue an apology to my clients with the same prominence and fanfare with which you defamed them.”

    https://nypost.com/2023/12/04/news/parents-of-chiefs-fan-accused-of-blackface-threaten-to-sue/
     
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    They have to ruin it. Most leftists are miserable, that's why they're leftists, and they want everyone else to feel the same way. Notice the posters here with the highest numbers are overwhelmingly leftist. The rest of us have things going on in our lives.
    It was clear there was no intent to disrespect anybody. I'm happy he never apologized for what his son was wearing, and followed that up by saying no apology would be acceptable from Deadspin. If a sportswriter can't recognize what a fan is wearing is in support of their team, then why are they a sportswriter.
     
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    I don't think the Indians care. Those that squawked won an empty battle. Those teams are in the gutter now. "Commanders". Really? In fact keeping their name out there is a benefit to them in terms of not being pushed out of the culture.
     
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    Funny as heck...dressing up in cultural clothing aside from your own, racist. This rule only applies to whites.

    Characters switcheroo for movies in the name of diversity, diversity is great.
     
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