Why I believe in Joe Biden's innocence

I've watched very closely arguments put forth by Comer, et al, and many on this forum who have produced what they think are documents that prove Joe Biden is guilty of something.

Nothing produced squares with the fact that Hunter has been investigated for almost 6 years, and the best Weiss can come up with are tax charges, charges which few people are charged with for similar offenses, noting that no private citizen I know of has ever had a Special Counsel assigned by the Attorney General to investigate, lest they were on a fishing expedition to find dirt on Joe Biden. Comer even told us that the investigation into Hunter is all about Joe, not Hunter. He keeps saying 'we'll find evidence soon' but to date, admits he hasn't found it yet.

Now then, does any document prove Joe did anything wrong?

Not actually.

The claim is that Joe lied about his knowledge of his son's business.

Well, that could easily be a misunderstanding having to do with sloppy articulation. I take it is that Joe is just saying he's not mindful of all the inner workings of his son's deals. Of course he has a superficial knowledge, but so what? If lies bother you, which I don't think they are, more like sloppy articulation, but if lies bother you, then you hate all politicians and especially Trump, and just about everyone, who has gotten facts wrong at one time or another, and it really feels like your complaint is rooted in your hate for Biden, which isn't really based on any facts worthy of such contempt.

Now the hard facts:

Not one financial document has Joe Biden as beneficiary or signatory.

And don't give me any crap that 'doesn't have to, his family benefited'.. No, it does have to, per bar on corruption being raised to hard conclusive evidence per McDonnell v. United States, Moreover, if his family, and not Joe, benefited, that just means private citizens earned money abroad, and, so? so did Trump's family, too, earn money abroad. Oh, so you say 'what was the money for'? No, your lack of knowledge isn't proof of wrongdoing, either. Does anyone know what Manafort did for his foreign clients? Consulting, well, Hunter probably did something similar, and foreign leaders pay a lot of money for consulting services.

Not one LLC lists Joe Biden as an officer in a Shell.

Not one LLC has been proven to be established for a corrupt purpose as none of the 10 or so legitimate reasons have been excluded.

Not one taped phone call implicates joe in any wrong doing.

Not one testimony against Joe is backed by hard evidence.

No testimony given by Joe's staff against him.

No testimony by Joe's sons and daughters are made against him

Noting that every email and text presented do not have Joe Biden as a participant in the conversation and third party mentions of Joe is hearsay and some have been established as fake.

Noting that the chain of custody of the laptop is not clear cut, and has the potential for corruption.

All of the times Biden 'phoned in', testimony proves he just engaged in pleasantries. Joe calls his son often.

All of the times he was invited to Hunter's biz party, he never talked about anything other than idle chit chat. Devon Archer told us so, under oath.

All Hunter is guilty of is using his dad as prop to impress biz partners, which is NOT illegal. Why did Joe go along with it, KNOWING that it would raise serious questions and damage his reputation. Why? BECAUSE HE LOVES HIS SON. He was helping his son who was recovering from a drug addiction, helping him get his feet off the ground. Joe is to be ADMIRED, not treated with contempt.

Hunter's qualifications? Hunter has an extensive resume:

Vice Chairman of National Railroad Passenger Corporation s
Headed the Lobbyist firm of Oldaker, Biden & Belair
Vice Chairman on the Board Of Directors of Amtrak
Developed Ecommerce policy for Clinton administration
Served on China-based private equity firm, BHR Partners, Inc.

Got his bachelor's at Georgetown and JD at Yale. That's four year post graduate degree, and Yale is not for dummies.

Now, yes, he's a kind of black sheep in the family, but he's no slacker like the right wants to portray him as.

In fact, all of the evidence thus far produced, it only proves that Hunter Biden did business abroad, that that business is not against the law, plus the fact that he generously shared his profits with other family members, but notably except his father. There might be a FARA violation but that is not proof of wrongdoing beyond that fact. Weiss is not charging Hunter with FARA.

SARs are not proof of wrongdoing, says so right on the Gov website.

FBI FD-1023 reports are not evidence, they need to be corroborated, and none have been, to date.

IRS agents are not, by definition, true whistleblowers, their testimony is merely a disagreement with the prosecutors prosecutorial decisions, in which such disagreements are common, and not only that, their testimony was impeached by Weiss, Garland and Rep Dan Goldman.

That Yelena Baturina was not sanctioned is not a damning fact at all, as alleged, given that some 50 Russian/Ukrainian billionaires haven't been sanctioned, either, and she is merely one of many.

What I've been finding is that for every issue put forth by Republicans, regarding the Bidens, there is an innocent explanation. Oh, some things might look bad, but looking bad is not illegal.

what did Hunter do for the dough? My guess is consulting services, which is a lucrative business, just ask Manafort. But that we don't know doesn't prove a crime.

Oh, checks to Joe? Yes, repayments for loans. Loan docs? I have loaned relatives money, never did 'loan docs'. who does that to a relative? And Comer loaned his brother $200k, shall we prosecute Comer?

All of the 'evidence' thus far is suggestive in nature, and not conclusive.

I voted for Biden and if you can show me conclusive proof, I'll stand in the line of persons demanding his resignation.

But, thus far, NOTHING implicates Joe. All the evidence proves are two things

1. Hunter did business abroad, which is not illegal. He sold sizzle, but no steak.

2. Joe loves his son.

That's' it. On Joe the right hasn't proven anything.

Nothing.

Squat

Zip

Zero.

did David Weiss, after 6 years, indict Hunter on corruption or 'influence peddling'?

No. 6 years, and NOT ONE criminal referral on Joe.

And that is why I believe in Joe's innocence.

 

He replied repeatedly that he knew nothing of his son's business in spite of being in numerous meetings and phone calls with Hunter's bosses.

That is why they call it an investigation.

In an area where he had absolutely no training or experience. Why would they pay him millions for consulting on something where he had no knowledge.

Show where he actually loaned the money. That is called investigating.

You failed to explain the LLC shell companies when the Biden's have no actual business.

Rather than absolutely declaring he is innocent, the best you can say at this point is that it has not been proven in a court of law.

 

How do you know?

 

Innocence for what ?
He hasn't been judicialised

 

Reread the the comment

6 years investigation no indictment of corruption or influence peddling

His resume has extensive experience in business.

Cancelled checks show 'repayment of loans'

You're making trhe allegation, the onus is on you to prove, not me.

I gave an extensive explanation on why I believe he is guilty.

You have not provided conclusive evidence of guilt.

6 years by Weiss, and nothing.

NOTHING.

got that?

 

I listen to the news from various sources. The majority of the US population believes the corruption allegations are true.

 

Where are the checks where the loans were made?

It is about time.

 

So you don't actually know.

 

You need to remember that this is the same crowd that let a slam dunk tax case expire via the statute of limitations. Plus agents were told NOT to ask about the big guy and Hunter was tipped off about investigators coming to interview which allowed him to avoid it. Also, agents were told NOT to search some facility where Hunter had stored documents.

Do you recall any of that?

 

yeah, the right has done a marvelous job of defaming Hunter.

Funny thing though, the guy that is the closest to the facts, David Weiss did not file corruption charges.

 

well then explain why Hunter is being charged for a tax felony?

Link to the source, please. I'll need to see more than one source.

See, the reason I need to see more than one, because a well documented fact in a public interest issue will usually be carried by more than one news source, and they better be credible.

Also, I'll need names of whoever is doing the talking.

 

The cancelled checks have been posted. Hunt around for them, they are out there.

In two seconds, I found this:
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/10/cherry-picking-influence-payment-from-james-to-joe-biden/

It's about time you paid attention, I've provided my explanation many times on this forum, I decided to put it all into one thread.

 

What is it you deny?

Multiple contacts with Hunters bosses.

Multiple LLC shell companies.

Hunter's notebook which mentions the Big Guy

Multiple email aliases.

Multiple people coming forward saying Joe Biden was getting money from Hunter's businesses.

etrc. etc.

They might all be nothing, but at some point, even you should get a little suspicious.

 

Some people will make excuses for Joe and Hunter just like a mother will make excuses for her criminal son.

 

Let's cut to the chase: You believe in Biden because he's a Democrat - PERIOD. Your entire wall of words is a rehash of tired old LW propaganda.

 

My son once called me from work. His boss joined the conversation for awhile (nice guy, as I remember). That does not mean that I learned anything about my son's work duties.

Six years and no evidence? How much taxpayer money is one failed investigation allowed to waste?

According to the short resume in the OP, he had some pretty good qualifications. Being the son of our VP likely tipped the balance in job interviews, but that isn't illegal.

I loaned my son money for a car once. Was I supposed to notify some authority about it? Keep records?

Do shell companies do any business? I thought they mostly existed for tax or ownership purposes, or as an umbrella for a group of enterprises.

Innocent until proven guilty, remember? There is no evidence to even indict and hold a grand jury hearing, much less go to trial. This is the lamest, most ridiculous nuthin burger that the right has yet come up with, and that's a low bar.

 

@Patricio Da Silva

Will you please explain "why Hunter is being charged for a tax felony?"
After 5 years.....after a flubbed plea deal attempted after the 5 years....... strangely right before Hunter is to sit down for deposition in front of Congress, after the 5 years...... and after Weiss was on the case and then suddenly strangely named special counsel on the very same case he was on for, you guess it, 5 years...


Will you please explain "why Hunter is being charged for a tax felony?" and not FARA violations as he was not a registered agent lobbying for foreign countries...

 

Proof, please.

 

Can you prove any of those allegations?

 

You got evidence for any of that? Plus why is the Republican Party pursuing a private citizen?

 

I keep saying that to Trump supporters who firmly believe, in spite of a still-growing mountain of evidence, that all 91 counts are bee ess.

 

Okay now explain why he is being treated differently to the majority of the populace

 

What is the GOP pursuing a private citizen?

 

How many times many meeetings did you have with your son's bosses including in person and telecons?

That is only in a court of law. He does not have to be found guilty before he is investigated.

Somewhere there is a check you wrote to your son or the dealer.

Show me some qualifidations in the energy field.

 

What propaganda? That's all coming from the right.

After six years of investigating and finding nothing, you nevertheless believe that both Hunter and Joe are guilty of something. On the other hand, no matter how much proven, corroborated, and established factual evidence is found against Trump, aren't you one of those who still insist that he's innocent and it's all a political witch hunt?

If someone wants to believe something, no evidence is required. If someone does not want to believe something, all of the hard evidence in the freaking universe will not convince them, unless they are capable of logical, reasonable thinking.